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 Post subject: New Puzzle: Cubic 3x3x5 (Update: New Configurations Added!)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:30 pm 
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Here is my latest puzzle, which is my first "mod", even though I did not modify any of the pieces...


Enjoy!
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HAHA, that thing is awesome!!! Fantastically clever build!

Now how about a half truncated cubic-3x3x5! lol

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I don't post too much anymore in these forums but I have to say this is awesome! Are you going to be selling this?

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The scrambled picture reminds me of a conundrum. Brilliant!


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Very impressive. Any chance you'll be willing to show some internal pictures?

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I have got to say that is really cool! I am starting to think which way I should make my 3x3x5 when I get the chance to make one. I like it! Great job! 8-) It would save on stickers, and give you plastic for other things.:D


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That looks awesome Puzzlemaster42!

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 Post subject: Re: New Puzzle: Cubic 3x3x5
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I just love cubic puzzles. Brilliant!

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Looks Great. Looks as if it could have been made by bandaging a 6x6x6.

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Jesse Werner wrote:
Looks Great. Looks as if it could have been made by bandaging a 6x6x6.


Well why would you want to do that!?!?! Does look awesome though!

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That is one of the most interesting mods, I have ever seen.
Brilliant.




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I'm still trying to grasp how you got it scrambled to that position. It looks great. Other than that, I don't know what to say! :D

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I want to know how it was done....

He says no pieces were modded!?

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so beautiful :D nice work


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great job! What a fantastic idea!


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I'm still trying to grasp how you got it scrambled to that position. It looks great. Other than that, I don't know what to say! :D


Maybe he scrambled it, and returned it to a cube shape, such as on the Square-1.

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I have a thought that it could be done from one cube only. I was just wondering if that was a white DIY kit or special white plastic or something. I still think it is awesome! I am going to make one when I get the chance. Awesome mod! 8-) :D

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 Post subject: Re: New Puzzle: Cubic 3x3x5
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Puzzlemaster42 wrote:
Here is my latest puzzle, which is my first "mod", even though I did not modify any of the pieces...


I am just wondering why you didn't have to modify any of the pieces.

Bandaging a white 6x6x6, but first, where do you get a white 6x6x6..., and also once again I did not "modify any of the pieces."

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It's not white 6x6x6, and i think i might know how he did it, but still, i would definitely consider it modding if thats how he did it. Also, why couldn't he scramble it to that position? There's nothing strange or unique about the scramble?


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*drools* :shock:

And it's whitish plastic! :D

Sweet work Adam!

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Perhaps he drew it in a CAD program and had them printed, hence he did no modding.


I have a theory as to how this was done though. I'll wait for a bit to see if he posts more pictures to see if I'm right or wrong.

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Noah wrote:
Perhaps he drew it in a CAD program and had them printed, hence he did no modding.


The whites are different, so there is a high chance that that is indeed what happened. We'll just have to wait to see...

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Regardless if this is a bandaged 6x6x6 or not, the idea is brilliant. The way those corner cubies are mixed is sooooo cute, and it makes it look like some delicate chocolate with lots of fruit pieces.

Very tasteful puzzle!

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Wow!! :shock:
thats certainly of one of my favorite mods from now on!!!!!!!!
How on earth did you make this?

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Nice puzzle!

I think the "I did not modify any of the pieces" comment stems from the fact that they (appear) to be RP'd pieces, as opposed to modified ones from an existing kit, while the mod part stems from the fact that it (appears) to be a take on a 3x3x3 mechanism.

Nice work either way :)

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That is simply beautiful!


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If he hand made them or had a machine make them, it's still hard work!!

His Super X may be 3D printed, but there was a heck of a lot of work that went into it! He complete made a new core I've never seen before. So I'm sure he has ways to make this puzzle!!

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Unfortunately I couldn't wait, so now I'm sloppily revealing my theory.

He took each piece in a CAD program. and found the point of rotation for the piece. Normally there is 2 for an edge piece, and 3 for a corner, but he is only splitting the piece on one axis. He then drew some circles, (sorry for the vagueness here) and basically split the pieces in 2. (See attached image for a real cruddy sketch of a cut edge.)

So he sent the files to be printed. There are 4 separate pieces. He got 4 of each. Two of the pieces fit together to make a normal edge, and two fit together to make a normal corner. From there, he assembled it on a white DIY and stickered it.

Since the pieces were printed, they don't have the same shade of white as the DIY.


Now, if I'm incorrect, well, it's for the better, because I think I might have come up with something.

Never the less, this was very innovative.

(EDIT) Or he just got one of each and molded them.


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Very very cool mod...wish I could do that stuff but it just makes me crazy. Ever plan on selling one?


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Erik wrote:
Wow!! :shock:
thats certainly of one of my favorite mods from now on!!!!!!!!
How on earth did you make this?


One of? I've always loved 3x3x5; this is my favorite!
When you're giving this away, pick me!

(In fact, to top Erik again: :shock: :shock: :shock: )

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Maybe he scrambled it, and returned it to a cube shape, such as on the Square-1.

There is no single turn, which would bring the puzzle out of cubical shape.

Anyway: Great mod!
It relates to a real (?) 3x3x5 like a "4x4x4 bandaged to look like a 2x2x4" to a real 2x2x4.


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Think of it this way. Scramble a 3x3x5 so it stays in a prism form. (We're talking about "Grown Towers") Then scramble it like a 3x3. That's what he did in those pictures. He just has to solve it so two opposite faces either have blue or white, then he can solve it like a Grown Tower.

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Adam, it's absolutely fantastic!
You don't stop to amaze me!
How on earth did you manage to make this?
Is Noah's theory right?
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Vadim wrote:
How on earth did you manage to make this?
Is Noah's theory right?
Vadim


Wadder ya mean Noah's theory? What am I, invisible? ;)

But to support (our) claims, look closely at the topmost picture. You will notice that the 4 RP'd bits are a slightly different colour, indicating that they are the only "non-standard" pieces...

And owing to my appearant invisibility, I'll say it again;

Nice puzzle!

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I just had trouble understanding your first post the.drizzle (Sorry, don't know your name), so I didn't realize you were trying to say the same thing. (More or less)

I guess pictures help too.

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To answer the questions...

The regular Cube parts were modeled in SolidWorks, and then the parts were split to make 2 layers. I used all 3D printed parts in this puzzle to test whether the parts would work well in conjunction with the injection molded ones.

The puzzle is functionally identical to this bandaged 5x5x5 by Anthony Greenhill.

The parts could be modified to make a 3x3x5 version of (almost) any 3x3x3 mod. Some will work better than others.

I have attached a 3D pdf to show the parts. I have not tried this before, so I don't know how well it will work...


Enjoy!
Adam

p.s. I will be selling sets of master parts (and complete 3D printed sets) for this version, and an Octagonal Prism version. Details will be posted on the marketplace forum.


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Thank you for clarifying all of our questions and speculations. Your simple design can open up a new line of great puzzle modifications. :D

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My theory was more or less correct. To me, I feel like I was right. To someone else, it could seem that I was wrong.

I'm interested in one if the price is decent.


Another thing I'd like to see.... (Two actually)

1) A '4' layer 3x3x5. Listen. 1 layer, half layer, 1 layer, half layer, 1 layer. Basically extending the top and bottom layers to be the size of full cubies.

2) A Regular 3x3x5. So build yourself a grown tower with this method, verses the other methods, such as Jim H Kim's method. (You'd take a Tony Fisher like method to get the pieces correct.

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Another interesting modification to see would to a Rhombic Dodecahedron 3x3x5.

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I will be watching the Marketplace then :)

I want to see a cubic 3x3x6 now! Basically build it like: http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/3x3x2.htm
Or something like that! Adam: If you make one, it's mine, I came up with the idea :)

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Hey Noah, I actually thought of the exact way that you did to make it! Wow puzzle minds think alike?

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So basically you just cut the edges and corners of the U and D-layer in half and make sure they slide well... wow... I'll try to make one from a regular 3x3 I think... well after I finished this bloody domino/3x3x2...

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This doesn't seem that difficult, and you could probably do it by just cutting a DIY if you didn't really care about how it looked. I'll definitely try something like this sometime, if I ever feel up to it...

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That is quite a beautiful puzzle. It doesn't appear to be extremely difficult, I may give it a go one day


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The problem is that you need to have a U curved cut which is very hard to do, I'll try to make it a bit _/ like but it won't be that smooth though I think it is going to work. Still, the 3x3x2 is not yet finished, have to do the corners and then it's pretty much done..

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If you filled all the pieces of the U layer, then place them in a rubber band, and drill down a circular cut, then saw into each piece, you could get the affect. Much rougher, but still gets the job done.

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Great work. I would love to get my hands on it and give it a spin.


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Well, this kind of creations raise many beautiful questions for the possibilities of modifying a 6x6x6 (which will be released soon).

Simple bandaged versions of 6x6x6 could be really intruiging, such as the 3x3x6, (which will be like Adam's wonderful puzzle, but this time more edges, as well as centres, will be "double").

Noting that 6 is divisible by both 2 and 3, some nice possibilities would be the 3x3x6 (as mentioned above), the 2x2x6 (cubic version!), the 2x3x6 (this one is going to be a tricky one!), but my favourite would be the 1x6x6 LOL

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This puzzle I do like a lot and I really don't say that about white puzzles nor puzzles that have the pieces being not the same size as other pieces on a face/side/per color. Call me crazy but I think you can make a 6x6x6 cube out of this but the only problem that I see is. How are you going to make the mechanism hold together. I do have 1 solution for that problem and that is to shrink a Rubik's Revenge 4x4x4 cube mechanism/ball so that it can fit inside the rubiks cube after you add the additional cuts to make it a 6x6x6 cube.

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 Post subject: Re: New Puzzle: Cubic 3x3x5
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...even though I did not modify any of the pieces...


Enjoy!
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Meaning? I'm guessing that you had 3D printed this as well? Assuming, that you also created the pieces to fit that particular configuration...

So, in a sense you bypassed that adding/cutting of the pieces so it could fit? And just made the piece as a whole instead - from the ground up?

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