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 Post subject: My latest mod: 4x4x5 Wall Cube
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:18 pm 
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Here's my latest creation: a 4x4x5 Wall Cube.

Unlike my previous posts, I will not (yet) explain how I made this. All I can say is that I'm sure I made it the same way as Aleh's 4x4x5 and 5x5x4 (see twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3519) and Adam Zamora's 4x4x5 (see twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6049). And as they won't reveal it, I decided not to either.
Obviously I used an East Sheen 4x4x4 as the basis. I only used one, plus some plastic sheet, Apoxie Sculpt and glue. It turns very smooth and I'm very happy with the result.

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I was a little bit worried about you thomas, you hadn't posted a mod for two days!

Very professional! When are we going to see some stuff on eBay?

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Absolutely stunning!
(I give it a thumbs up <--)

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Man you are crazy :D
Nice job excellent work!!!

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Nice job, very cool :D :D

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you are really starting to become an amazing builder, keep up the amazing work :D

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when i was building my 4x4x5 i almost made mine into this. I however finished mine into a true 4x4x5. it is fun to play with it in that form though. have fun.


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Caleb wrote:
Nice job, very cool :D :D

ditto


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Wow... amazing built!

I guess the colors cannot be the same on each side when you reach a cubic shape and all cuts are aligned... is this correct?




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Is there any chance you could tell us how much modification of the interior mechanism is required? Or is it simply cutting, building up, and gluing?


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watermelon wrote:
Is there any chance you could tell us how much modification of the interior mechanism is required? Or is it simply cutting, building up, and gluing?


You have to cut/saw/sand, glue and build-up. Look carefully at the photos of Aleh's and Adam's mods. I'm sure you can figure out how this is build. Adam says it took him 5 days to finish. I'm guessing I spent a little less, as I kept the puzzle in its cube-shape.

Isn't it much more fun if you figure this out yourself? :-)

Yes Pantazis. When all the cuts are aligned, the colours are not correct. So this will be more difficult to solve than a regular 4x4x5.

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nice work. :D I like brick cubes. actually I like all cubes :)

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Fantastic job!
Keep it up Thomas!
I would still like to know how you made it though!
Someone was saying that Eastsheen 4x4x4 in fact is 5x5x5 with centres hidden away. Is that the key to building 4x4x5?
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Well, in the Eastsheen 4x4x4, the centers, +centers, and edgewings are all hidden, internal pieces (but they are still there). Since you can choose to bring only some of them out into the open, it's relatively easy to make a 4x4x5 or 4x5x5.

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Thomas wrote:
Look carefully at the photos of Aleh's and Adam's mods.

Isn't it much more fun if you figure this out yourself? :-)



ya know this has been driving me crazy since i first saw these mods.

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you can see that he bandaged. so im going to take a guess how to build this.

1. cut the appropriate areas on an eastsheen 4x4x4 (marked in red)
2. build out the hidden layer on the cube (eastsheen 4x4x4's and 5x5x5's have the same mechanism, but the 4x4's "middle layer" is hidden underneath the other layers and the cubies size are adjusted to make it a perfect cube)
3. extend the other layers over the area that you shaved down.
4. bandage the top and bottom layers to make the pieces cubic.
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Thanks so much for your diagram! Can the same concepts be applied to the 5x5x4 mod, or is a different design necessary?


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im just guessing that's how it's made. i'd wait for a confirmation before any thanks are in order...


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I haven't found any flaws so far. :)


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Part of me doesn't even want to touch one of those...I'm afraid of it.

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I understood the building aspect fine. Now does anyone understand how to solve it? :P


I just have trouble pairing the 2nd and 4th layer centers up. Does anyone have some algs?

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That is very cool; nice job!


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i can solve a 4x4x5 no problem. I have my own solution. its quite easy if you know how to solve cuboids.


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Does anyone know of a good program to simulate cuboids on the computer (besides Gliding cube)?


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Just a quick question on p|astic's diagram.


Would it be nessessary to cut the 2nd and 3rd (turning into 4th) layer centers? Could you just pop them off and rotate them?

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do you mean sever the square (visible) portion of the piece from the mechanism and reattach it facing the other direction? it sounds like it would work. then you wouldn't have to cut and reshape the visible part of the piece so only functionality would matter, not aesthetics. i think only experimentation would tell if it would work or not.


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If you've ever seen an Eastsheen 4x4 mechanism, you'd see that what xcool mentioned is much easier than you thought :). The centers each have little caps in one corner like this:

X=cap
O=nothing

OOX
OOO
OOO

The cap fits into a slot. Basically, you would just have to take off the center, rotate it, and put the cap back into the slot (just think of the slot as a pivot point).

I hope this makes sense!


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So it would be possible to do that?


Thomas, any comments?

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it appears so, doesn't it? i see no visible bandage on those pieces.


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You know, looking at this, this doesn't seen like a terribly difficult build...

Don't get me wrong, it's not some walk in the park and I still look up to Thomas, Adam and Aleh for making such beautiful puzzles, but I actually might consider trying one of these after a while.

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watermelon wrote:
Does anyone know of a good program to simulate cuboids on the computer (besides Gliding cube)?


so is that saying that there is already a computer program out there that lets you play with oddly shaped cubes (3x3x2, etc)? I've never seen such a program, although i don't do too much searching. Does anyone have any links?

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There's Gabbasoft.com

But that's only cubes. Not cuboids. NxNxN. 2
Then there's Mud.ca

But the actual program technically costs money. LxLxH 2
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so no freebies out there that have cubiods on them?

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I want to buy one! How much? I think this is an awesome cube!!! just amazing!

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