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 Post subject: Helicopter + 3x3x3 ($85 Shapeways)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:14 am 
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The Heritombo Cube was actually designed and printed after I started to doubt this design for a Helicotper 3x3x3 would work. After waits for a few missing parts, and a design tweak, it has turned out that I'm revealing the original design after the Heritombo Cube.

I made the cuts shallower first as an experiment, but when I saw the face pattern, I immediately started shooting for a 3x3x3 hybrid. In the event that someone makes a flat cut Helicopter 3x3x3 that doesn't use shallow cuts, I'll rename this one.

This was completely designed on a flight to China, and even uploaded to Shapeways somewhere over the Pacific.



This is now on Shapeways for $85.




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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:49 am 
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Wow this is nice! I've always thought of the 3x3x3 cuts ever since I thought of the Helicopter Cube with shallow cuts! :) And now it's been made in a plane flight! :D Congrats!

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:45 am 
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Excellent work Jason, I just love these combination puzzles, especially when they work (and look) as good at this.
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This was completely designed on a flight to China, and even uploaded to Shapeways somewhere over the Pacific.
Now that is just boasting :shock: Next time, you will tell us that it was printed on the plane as well :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
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This is good looking!

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:12 am 
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Great work! :D
How about mass-production?

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:29 am 
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So you always got some inspiration while flying to a far place right? :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
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In the video, you mentioned that it didn't seem possible to combine jumbling and 3x3x3 moves to any significant degree. However, is it possible to jumble it like on my copter 3x3x3 here? The puzzles are close relatives, so I would expect them to behave similarly.


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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
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So you always got some inspiration while flying to a far place right? :wink:

I hope you do. I know of a puzzle you should make next. I'd call it the ankylostar. Do you know what I may be talking about Jason?

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
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will_57 wrote:
In the video, you mentioned that it didn't seem possible to combine jumbling and 3x3x3 moves to any significant degree. However, is it possible to jumble it like on my copter 3x3x3 here? The puzzles are close relatives, so I would expect them to behave similarly.


I really love that, and actually hadn't remembered it until now. I think those curvy cuts help reduce overhangs, localizing the corners a bit more. Mine just seem to collide with other parts when I try 3x3x3 turns.
Since you've got that cabability on yours though, have you found it adds to the solve experience?
Overall I think I like yours better, but I'm glad to have made a cousin.
I assume you also tried a straight cut version?

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
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JasonSmith wrote:
Mine just seem to collide with other parts when I try 3x3x3 turns.
Can you just confirm that the following move sequence is not possible on this puzzle? I can't visualize in my head where it gets blocked:
Turn the red/blue edge ~70.5 degrees clockwise. Turn the red/yellow edge 180 degrees. Turn the red/blue edge ~109.5 degrees clockwise. The yellow 3x3x3 face should now be free to turn.
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Since you've got that cabability on yours though, have you found it adds to the solve experience?
Solving? What's that? :lol: I haven't even tried solving most of the designs I've made, and this puzzle is no exception. Actually, the only person who seems to have posted about solving the physical puzzle is Brandon, so it might be best to ask him.
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I assume you also tried a straight cut version?
That's what I had originally intended, but before I even started a design I realized that a curvy version would be a bit easier to implement because a spherical version of the puzzle has all of the same external pieces, which is not true of the straight cut version. Also, the curvy cuts give more room for the corner stalks, and in the end I discovered a clean shell buildup that I couldn't get to work with straight cuts.

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:57 pm 
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I immediately searched the museum for other hybrids of faceturning + edgeturning.
Could you tell us something about internal pieces?
I want to compare your creation with Dayan Gem II.

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:15 am 
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Yes! That works! Two tips brush past each other as they turn, but it's fine. I suppose I gave up on it prematurely. Thanks, that makes me feel better.

Andreas, very very nice variation in your reaction! :)
Let me check on the Gem II.



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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3 ($85 Shapeways)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:30 am 
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Replying so that this image will be isolated to this reply.

Andreas, Gem 2 has shallower turning cube faces, which creates some new edge pieces and removes corners.

Here's a mech picture showing the 3x3x3 with the rotating Helicopter axes attached.


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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3 ($85 Shapeways)
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:oops: ! 85$!? What have you done!! Why do you need to torture people like this :lol: ?

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3 ($85 Shapeways)
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Can anyone comment on the difficulty of this puzzle? $85 puts it into the "affordable Shapeways puzzles" category. But even still, for $85 I want challenge!

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 Post subject: Re: Helicopter + 3x3x3 ($85 Shapeways)
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themathkid wrote:
Can anyone comment on the difficulty of this puzzle? $85 puts it into the "affordable Shapeways puzzles" category. But even still, for $85 I want challenge!

The 3x3x3 moves enable a few more jumbling states to be reached but the additional freedom doesn't really make the Helicopter Cube jumbling any harder and in some cases it makes it easier.

The 3x3x3 moves also make the Helicopter Cube solving stage easier because instead of worrying about orbits or "fixing" them you can just use 3x3x3 setup moves to resolve every situation.

The only trickiness to the solve is that you first want to solve 3x3x3 edges and you can end up with 2 edges swapped (the fix is a single quarter-turn of a face) or a single edge flipped (the fix is a single Helicopter Cube turn).

So no, this puzzle is not really any harder.

It's a bit different though which is always nice and refreshing :-) If you're looking for a casual solve it should still offer some nice fun.

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