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 Post subject: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:44 am 
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Hi!

Together with luckyguynt, a member of a Russian twisty puzzles forum, we started a moulded Biaxe puzzle project.
Having reworked my models to make them suitable for moldling, he designed and cut metal molds with a milling machine and can now from time to time make the puzzle parts. My part is assembling and stickering. Below are some pics what they look like.

This is not a 3D-printed plastic or nylon, but a real moulded ABS-plastic, like all your mass-produced puzzles. We offer these very challenging puzzles for sale for just $54 – black or non-colored (plus registered shipment from Germany: $7.50). Anyone who’s interested – please PM. Due to much handwork in the production process, we cannot make them in big quantities, so better take an earlier place in the queue!

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:55 pm 
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Wow! I wish I could afford this right now. How long will they be available, do you think? Are you willing to sell DIY kits at a lower cost? >_>

Also, if I may ask - why the Biaxe, and not the Constellation 6?


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:05 pm 
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I really hope that these are still available when i have the spare cash to get one. A very cool looking puzzle, hope I can get my hands on one soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:17 pm 
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Hope to get one soon!


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:13 pm 
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These are very cool, I might have to get one. Does your friend have any plans to make any of your other puzzles into plastic?

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:03 am 
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Jared wrote:
How long will they be available, do you think?
As long as luckyguynt is not tired of molding them :)
Jared wrote:
Are you willing to sell DIY kits at a lower cost?
Yes, we can offer non-stickered version for $46.
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Also, if I may ask - why the Biaxe, and not the Constellation 6?
Biaxe was the choice of luckyguynt. And from my mechanical point of view, it's more stable and turns better than Constellation Six.
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Does your friend have any plans to make any of your other puzzles into plastic?
Yes, he's thinking about making the F-Skewb.


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Jared wrote:
Are you willing to sell DIY kits at a lower cost? >_>
What would you charge for the "raw" puzzle pieces unassembled?

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Timur wrote:
Yes, he's thinking about making the F-Skewb.



The F skewb is already being produced. It is the Dayan Gem V I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:59 am 
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What would you charge for the "raw" puzzle pieces unassembled?
Well.. because assembling takes less time than stickering let's say $42.

Thanks to everyone for your orders - for now I've received orders for 13 black and 3 non-colored puzzles. Currently I have enough parts to make only 3 black + 3 non-colored puzzle, that's going to happen relatively fast, but the others will have to wait until new parts are molded and sent to me (together with shipment time from Russia that may take 1-2 months).
I'll notify everyone personally as soon as his/her puzzle is ready (no advance payment needed).


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:24 am 
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Hello everyone!
as Timur said, I'm casting plastic parts in the mold. Biaxe contains 42 parts; taking into account the parts, which are assembled from two halves, the total number comes to 52. Some molds are single, but some are multi-seat. To get 1 kit, I have to make 14 heats, each of them takes 20-30 minutes. Total one kit requires 5-7-8 hours of my work. So have patience, guys! ;)

Unfortunately, for some reason, I can't now post pictures, which can explain my technology (maybe, I'll do it later). But if anyone is interested to see it right now, you can look at my other projects here:

http://speedcubing.su/index.php?topic=2 ... 5#msg10115
http://speedcubing.su/index.php?topic=2 ... 3#msg10353

Thank you!

EDIT: some kind of revolution on russian forum, now these links looks so:
http://speedcubing.ru/forum/index.php?t ... 5#msg10115
http://speedcubing.ru/forum/index.php?t ... 3#msg10353


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:45 am 
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If you are using ABS I assume you are doing injection moulding? If not, what product are you using?

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Well, Mr. Fisher, you've just caught me. Do not shoot, please! It was a plasticine ... :mrgreen:

But seriously. I'm not sure that my English is good, but I'll try to explain.
I use recycled ABS (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene), except in the case with my Starlets - there was polypropylene. I put little pieces of plastic in my mold with an excess, install the mold at an iron, after heating I'm joining two halves and tighten the screw-nuts until the halves are not "kiss each other". Surpluses of plastic squeezed out. Next, I'm cooling the mold in cold water and disassembling it.

Molds are made by me from aluminum sometimes, sometimes stainless steel on CNC machines.

Can I call my process "molding"? I think - yes. Because I get my parts by deformation of the softened plastic in the molds.

Can I call it "injection"? Of course - no. Because plastic does not come from outside.

*answered and went to engage my plastic*


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:21 am 
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luckyguynt wrote:
Can I call my process "molding"? I think - yes. Because I get my parts by deformation of the softened plastic in the molds.
This sounds very interesting, I hope you can post in the Puzzle Building forum in more detail with lots of pictures!

I am on the wait list and look forward to seeing the end product of this process.

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Hmm... how sturdy is the recycled plastic? I remember Rox posting once about the differences between recycled and "virgin" ABS... I think she said the recycled stuff tends to be brittle, but maybe I'm wrong?

(I don't mean to suggest that the Biaxe is low quality! I just want to be assured that it isn't... I drop things a lot...)


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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luckyguynt wrote:
Can I call it "injection"? Of course - no. Because plastic does not come from outside.
Have you seen this?

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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It looks really nice - is there any chance of seeing a video?


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Zzupler wrote:
It looks really nice - is there any chance of seeing a video?
Just go to the Kickstarter page.

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Gus wrote:
Just go to the Kickstarter page.

Sorry, I should have been more specific - I was talking about the puzzle! It is nice to see a video of a puzzle before ordering.


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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luckyguynt wrote:
Well, Mr. Fisher, you've just caught me. Do not shoot, please! It was a plasticine ... :mrgreen:

But seriously. I'm not sure that my English is good, but I'll try to explain.
I use recycled ABS (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene), except in the case with my Starlets - there was polypropylene. I put little pieces of plastic in my mold with an excess, install the mold at an iron, after heating I'm joining two halves and tighten the screw-nuts until the halves are not "kiss each other". Surpluses of plastic squeezed out. Next, I'm cooling the mold in cold water and disassembling it.

Molds are made by me from aluminum sometimes, sometimes stainless steel on CNC machines.

Can I call my process "molding"? I think - yes. Because I get my parts by deformation of the softened plastic in the molds.

Can I call it "injection"? Of course - no. Because plastic does not come from outside.

*answered and went to engage my plastic*

Thanks a lot. I love the fact that others are still moulding parts, especially when it's a way I am not familiar with.

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Jared wrote:
Hmm... how sturdy is the recycled plastic?

I know that the ABS can be brittle or initially due to incorrect ratio of the components, or after processing at very high temperature (some components evaporate).
Plastic, which I use, has a good quality (made in Germany, by the way). I'm working on a temperature of about 150 deg C, and I didn't notice any degradation of mechanical properties. So, don't worry about that.
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Yes, I saw it. Also I saw this, this and this. But maybe, this part of the forum is not the best place for these discussions. In any case, I can say that I'm looking in that direction, but it's too early to talk about it.
Zzupler wrote:
is there any chance of seeing a video?

sorry, I have not videocam, not stickered Biaxe. Maybe Timur will help you.
Tony Fisher wrote:
Thanks a lot. I love the fact that others are still moulding parts, especially when it's a way I am not familiar with.

Thanks a lot for you too, for your work and neverending creativity.;)
On my opinion, it's not bad, that everyone of us is going by his own way. Epoxy, moulding, ShapeWays. mmm... Maybe, papier mache? I think it can be usefull for those, who'll come - they will have a choice, how to realize their plans.


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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I got mine, and I'm really happy with the quality! It's like a production puzzle and for about the price of a Meffert puzzle. Nice work, you guys!

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:10 am 
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I have some news. Because making this puzzle in more or less big quantities is a time-consuming and boring work, we decided to take a break after selling 30 Biaxes.
I will still accept new orders, but can not promise that the puzzles ordered from today will be made.

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Yesterday I sent the parcel to Timur by EMS. It contains 6 full kits of Biaxe and about 10 kits which are not quite complete. Sorry for delay guys, I have some problems with one mold, and I still don't know how to solve them. But I'm still working and I will try to do everything asap.



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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Today, I received my Biaxe:

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Turning is good, but as the picture shows, there are some surface blemishes and lines from the mold master (it looks like it was 3D printed?). Does anyone have suggestions as to how to fix it? The stickers did not come in a bag so some of them were wrinkled. Aside from the minor issues, though, I am looking forward to playing with the puzzle. Seems nice :)

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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As for the surface blemishes - it's totally my fault. Wrong cooling mode and I think you can't fix it. If you want, write me PM, we'll discuss this and I can send you new core (which with the letters) and 2 corners, if you'll break them when disassembling. Of course, it's for free.


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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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I think you could just file it flat with a mill file and then use 400-800 wet & dry, and then a little cutting polish to bring up the shine. I reckon it would come up very well. It's a lot of effort to cast these, and it would really be worth a try, rather than Luckyguynt needing to remake it just yet? Just a suggestion :) .

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Yesterday these mountains of plastic went for Germany. Project Biaxe is ended for me now.

I wish happy expectation for all of you! Thank's for your participation!


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They look incredible, what an amazing effort!!

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 Post subject: Re: Biaxe puzzles made of ABS-plastic
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Mine arrived today.. THANKYOU TIMUR and LUCKYGUYNT It is absolutely wonderful! Let me share some photos:
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