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 Post subject: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:06 am 
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This a shape transformation of 2013930080085E aka '3 Quads, 3 stripes' first made by Andreas Nortmann.

I used a 48mm cube as a base, 1.5mm styrene sheet to extend, and hand-cut the metallic stickers.
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Makes some nice shapes:
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It's quite big at 64mm per edge, but movement is super-smooth.

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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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I am so utterly confused. It looks like a 2x2, but it obviously isn't. I need to see a video.

Beautifully implemented, whatever it is!

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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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This looks like a perfect finish! :D
Very shiny and nice.

@Eitan, I assume this an extended and bandaged 4x4x4.

EDIT: I had to correct myself below: It is an extended and bandaged 3x3x3 (as cisco guessed correctly).

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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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Justin wrote:
I used a 32mm cube as a base, 2mm styrene sheet to extend, and hand-cut the metallic stickers.


So I guess this is an offset-extended 3x3x3. The result is aweseome! I'm happy that even today there are some beautiful yet simple puzzles to create :)


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Konrad wrote:
@Eitan, I assume this an extended and bandaged 4x4x4.

But how does it scramble? How do the stored cuts get used?

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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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Simple Idea but creative! The red & gold color you choose make the cube very gorgeous!


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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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I stand corrected:
Justin wrote:
This a shape transformation of 2013930080085E aka '3 Quads, 3 stripes' first made by Andreas Nortmann.
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I found '3 Quads, 3 stripes' via Google = Bandaged3x3x3 2013930080085E_3Quads3Stripes This is a bandaged 3x3x3.
I think that the new idea is to extend it to something that looks like a 2x2x2.
Pretty creative! :) and beautiful. I would buy it in a heartbeat, if it becomes available at a decent price.

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cisco wrote:
Some days I feel like nobody else can see me, as if I was a ghost or something :cry:

You said "I guess", but you guessed correctly. :)
Frank's pictures explain it clearly, though.

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Incredibly beautiful. It's as much sculpture as it is puzzle, I could see it being sold in art museum shops.

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David Pitcher wrote:
Incredibly beautiful. It's as much sculpture as it is puzzle, I could see it being sold in art museum shops.
Yeah, Cubism at its best :lol:

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Great idea!

Haven't seen a nicer 3x3x3 transformation for a very long time.
Could be an initiator for other extensions of bandaged puzzles.

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[...] Pretty creative! :) and beautiful. I would buy it in a heartbeat, if it becomes available at a decent price.


Konrad, then we are already two :wink:

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Simply gorgeous!!! Great Puzzle... Great presentation... I want one.

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Excellent 3*3 cube Bandaged Mod :)
Congratulation!

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this relative - WitEden 3x3x3 Camouflage Cube

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That is a beautiful puzzle. I love the stickers you chose to use. Great work!


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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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First off let me just say beautiful puzzle! Not only does it look like an interesting puzzle to solve but it looks great too!

Now let me show my complete lack of modding know how:

Justin wrote:
I used a 32mm cube as a base....It's quite big at 64mm per edge

Does this mean the small cubies are not from the original puzzle? Or am I failing at basic math? ( Just in case it's quite late here! ) I can't figure out how you went from a 32mm base (for the 3x3?) to 64mm unless you changed all cubie sizes or was that measurement just for the small visible 2x2.... help please! :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Corner Pocket (bandaged-cube shape mod)
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I too don't see how Justin could have used a 32mm cube as a base. To match the overall size of 64mm, he must have used a 48mm cube, which are readily available.

Oh, and this is a very nice puzzle Justin, and I love the stickers.

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Amazing implementation! Great!


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Zzupler wrote:
Does this mean the small cubies are not from the original puzzle? Or am I failing at basic math? ( Just in case it's quite late here! ) I can't figure out how you went from a 32mm base (for the 3x3?) to 64mm unless you changed all cubie sizes or was that measurement just for the small visible 2x2.... help please! :oops:
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I too don't see how Justin could have used a 32mm cube as a base. To match the overall size of 64mm, he must have used a 48mm cube, which are readily available.

You're right and I'm wrong.
It's a 48mm base cube, not 32mm as originally stated by me. Also, I used 1.5mm styrene sheet, not 2mm as originally stated - I'll edit my original post.

Sorry for the confusion.


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Wow! So very, very pretty.

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Great idea, beautiful puzzle!

Your plastic-sheet work is perfect.


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Justin wrote:
It's a 48mm base cube

Thanks for clearing that up Justin! :D
I wasn't sure if i understood what was going on in the puzzle at all - now I'm slightly more confident :lol:


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wow, this is great news! I was hoping this would be a candidate for mass production.

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I have made the underlying bandaged 3x3x3 (3 quads, 3 stripes by Andreas). At first I found it hard to scramble, now I find it hard to solve. :lol:
I'm looking forward to a mass-produced version of this, hopefully it is as nice as the original.

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I made a 6 color version of this puzzle 2 years before I knew it existed, in 2011. I first drew the design in October 2010. Was I first in making this?

[Moderator]I have moved this post from the Marketplace forum to this thread, where Justin posted first about this puzzle. May I ask if you can offer any proof that you have made this invention in 2011?
It seems very unfair against Justin, to post such a claim without the faintest proof.[/Moderator]

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For goodness sake!
So many claims!
So many unfounded boasts of your own abilities!


I'm afraid it's time to call you out on this! So far you've claimed to have designed dozens of puzzles and shown nothing more than CAD diagrams! Even when questioned frequently and asked to prove your claims you do not show any photos. I then directly challenge you to show what you've made and all you can show is a sort of mutilated 11x11 and then you make a claim that it's all due to your ADHD!

As a physician I am perfectly aware that the very existence of ADHD is not universally agreed and it certainly is not a diagnosis that can explain such behaviour!

Finally you lay claim to be the original designer of Justin's corner cube again with no proof! I think it is time for you to discuss your position on TP with one of the moderators. Please provide some proof to someone! If you cannot convince them ALL that you are truthful then perhaps it's time to leave! We are a very pleasant community here and never have I seen such behaviour! It is not what we are about and it is not pleasant to see it here.

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E-Cubes posted this ealier today.

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He also post it in the form of a question, perhaps he was asking whether or not he was the first to design it.

E-Cubes Designer X wrote:
I made a 6 color version of this puzzle 2 years before I knew it existed, in 2011. I first drew the design in October 2010. Was I first in making this?


This does not prove he made it but it does prove he has one with 6 colors.


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E-Cubes Designer X wrote:
I made a 6 color version of this puzzle 2 years before I knew it existed, in 2011. I first drew the design in October 2010. Was I first in making this?

Puzzlemad wrote:
For goodness sake!
So many claims!
So many unfounded boasts of your own abilities!

Although Kevin's post is a bit harsh I have to agree. I, for example, could claim to have made a Pyraminx crystal + master pentultimate hybrid. But that's all it is; it's just a claim that does not have any evidence to back it up. It doesn't help anyone, as no one can comment on the design or puzzle, since it isn't shown. It doesn't help the person who made the claim (me) either. Please don't take this as a negative backlash to your design abilities. They are already amazing. What we're trying to say is that you might want to improve your ability to SHOW us your actual physical designs. And, simply saying you can't take pictures of them is bogus. Run to Walgreen's and buy a single use camera if you have to! If you don't make an attempt to prove yourself many will doubt your integrity.

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In the meantime E-Cube Designer X made this post. I'm discussing with the other admin/moderators what we should do about this claim.

A few personal pictures are no real proof of the date when this puzzle was made.

I'll ask Andreas what he usually expects to support a certain claim for a first invention.

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I was only wondering if I made it first, not trying to take credit for the design. In 2010, I was assembling a 4x4x4 and I thought of the idea, so I drew it on paper and forgot about it for a year. I think Justin deserves the credit because he presented it first, madeit with better quality, and used an original coloration.

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E-Cubes Designer X wrote:
I think Justin deserves the credit because he presented it first, madeit with better quality, and used an original coloration.
Quality and coloration aside... I agree with E-Cubes. Unless we are talking about patents, which trumps whoever this site decides to credit for any particular design, what maters is who presented it first. Something that is patented eventually gets disclosed to the public even if the designer himself never personally introduces the creation. If one of use designers makes a puzzle and never shares it with anyone and let's it sit on a shelf for years... I say bad on us if someone else presents the very puzzle before we do. I want to believe E-Cubes is being honest when he claims he made his puzzle in 2011 but I personally feel that has no bearing on who should get credit for the design. Justin introduced this design to the world and I'm happy to see E-Cubes feels the credit belongs there as well.

Regarding E-Cubes forum etiquette... I agree its been poor at times. He is young and new to the forums and some degree of coaching is called for. But I will state that as a designer I am very impressed by his abilities. Grated most of what he has shown is CAD drawings but just seeing his 5x5x5 mechanism has allowed me to finished making a DoDep 3x3x3 design which allows for all 8 planetary versions. Tom and I combined (Tom did 99% of the work) were only able to come up with a mechanism which worked for 2 of the planetary versions. Some of his CAD drawings are very original and I've been looking for a mechanism for several years which would allow this so what he did certainly wasn't trivial.

Look at my Real 5x5x5 for example... I still have yet to present a finished functional puzzle and most of what I've shared is CAD drawings. I'm not being called a blatant liar. If E-Cubes wants to share his designs, and it appears he has more then he can afford to get 3D prints, I think that should be encouraged. But there is a right way and a poor way to do that (I'll stop short of saying wrong way). Some humility (which I don't think is totally missing but I'm pretty sure many aren't seeing) and more pictures (even if they are works in progress) and maybe more openness about your identity (though I don't think we should force that) would go a long way. Also in the case of this Corner Pocket cube claim it would have been better to state your intentions up front. It seems many would naturally jump to Justin's defense so your statement that you weren't after his credit would have defused much of this had you stated that when you made the claim.

Oh and I believe I've seen this stated by someone else already. If money to get designs 3D printed is an issue, I too think you should open a Shapeways Shop and encourage "sponsors" to print some of your designs. Make it clear the designs are untested and may not work, but I suspect you would find some that are willing to take that chance on some of your designs and if they worked they'd likely offer pictures and reviews that would benefit you and the community.

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I believe one's credibility is self made, and one's reputation does not define truth but is instrumental in how the community decides to credit many works.

These days we have a number of independent services (TwistyPuzzles, flickr, etc.) that can widely be trusted as "truth" when it comes to the timing of activities. But even such services are only as useful as when people use them. So plenty of us were building long before any of these services existed to be used as a verification of our work, yet our reputation and the credibility we have built is accepted nonetheless.
Good examples are Tony Fisher's works, my Square-2 and Aleh's 4x4x4.

I think for most of us creating puzzles is is own reward, and while a race to be first may have some appeal it is not the goal. I have seen few if any dedicated builders find anything but pleasure to discover someone else made something similar (for example Jason Smith and Bob Hearn on the Face Turning Icosahedron).

So this site has no objective required measures for proof, but we do our best to assess the proper history and give credit where due. How any particular claim is assessed will logically be in the context of how the staff and community view its credibility.

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I'm really sorry, but puzzlemad, seriously, you need to calm down!
Yes, E-cubes Designer X makes a lot of claims and shows not a whole lot of proof. But to go on a rampage all of the sudden and attacking someone like that is really uncalled for, and personally, I think you should really apologize!

ECDX, that was a really mature response to a very immature attack, and it's awesome that you give Justin all the credit for this puzzle. I think you're an awesome guy, however, you should really ask for a camera for your next birthday, if you know what I mean.

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I'm really sorry, but puzzlemad, seriously, you need to calm down!
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and personally, I think you should really apologize!

My points are valid! I am not angry, I am fed up with someone seeming to continually disrespect the community of people I consider friends.

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Puzzlemad wrote:
1NSAN3 wrote:
I'm really sorry, but puzzlemad, seriously, you need to calm down!
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and personally, I think you should really apologize!

My points are valid! I am not angry, I am fed up with someone seeming to continually disrespect the community of people I consider friends.

Did you even read this?
E-Cubes Designer X wrote:
I was only wondering if I made it first, not trying to take credit for the design. In 2010, I was assembling a 4x4x4 and I thought of the idea, so I drew it on paper and forgot about it for a year. I think Justin deserves the credit because he presented it first, madeit with better quality, and used an original coloration.

I don't see how this makes you feel like ECDX is disrespectful in any way at all. Your attack however, in my opinion, was disrespectful and immature. But, I will no longer put myself in the middle of this conflict, I'll let you and ECDX figure this out together. I hope you both can stick to friendly conversation...

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