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 Post subject: Twistball mass-produced
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:46 pm 
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The puzzle is basically the same as Lorente’s Sphere, presented by Douglas Hofstadter in his July 1982 Scientific American article about the Rubik’s Cube and related puzzles.

3D printed samples of another version of this puzzle were made in 2009 (expIained below).

I assume that the present puzzle is an invention by Josip Matijek.
His puzzle was first presented on this forum by Sandy on 14 October 2004, see viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3175.
It also mentions a patent.

A 3d-printed sample of a similar version of this puzzle was made in 2009.
That started with a design request by me (at the time being unaware of Mr Josip Matijek) on this forum on 15 May 2008, see viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9777

The challenge was picked up by Adam Cowan and based on his design I had a 3d sample printed.
This was presented on 8 November 2009, see viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15331

In between the design request and the final realisation of the puzzle I was looking for more information about Lorente’s Sphere and similar puzzles.
I discovered the initial information by Sandy and I was able to contact Mr Josip Matijek.
Initially this was via snail mail, later on also via e-mail.

Mr Josip Matijek explained to me that he made a first prototype of his version of the puzzle in 1989. A second version was made in 1996 (more samples).
Initially he called his puzzle ‘Kultball’.
He mentioned that the puzzle consisted of 20 parts all together, using 2 ‘element’ parts: a ‘permutator’ (12 parts) and a ‘rotator’ (8 parts) and he also mentioned that the inside of the puzzle was ‘empty’.
Mr Josip Matijek was trying to get the puzzle mass-produced which was difficult at the time, partly because of the political and economic situation in those years in the area he lived.
In 2009, he had 2 official licensees in Sarajevo for mass-producing the puzzle. There was a website but that website is no longer available.
In total he had 8 different designs (patterns) for the puzzle which was measuring 100 mm in diameter.

Mr Josip Matijek was born in Croatia in 1950 and lived in Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina) for 50 years until he emigrated to Australia in 2003 were he is living in the area of Sydney (at least in 2009).


Congratulations to Mr Josip Matijek for finally getting this lovely puzzle mass-produced.

Geert

[Moderator] Geert had originally posted this in the "Less rare puzzles" thread. I made some effort to copy the original post made by Geert on March 29th the first post in this thread.
I think that Geert deserves it that his name is tightly connected with the history of this puzzle![/Moderator]


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 Post subject: Twistball mass-produced
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:46 am 
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I bought the Twistball this week and recieved it yesterday, here is all the info & links :



Thank you for your order. We sent Flower XL Twist ball to your address yesterday. Sorry for our late response. We have had some problems with the Slovenian mail.

We hope you will enjoy solving the ball. Please recommend us to your friends and colleagues – as much as you can!

Soon our English web page http://www.twistball.eu will be set.

During this time we have two web sites: http://www.twistball.si and http://www.twist-ball.de

On request we also manufacture balls with their company logos: http://www.twistball.si/twist-ball-za-podjetja/

Our Fb profile: http://www.facebook.com/Twistball.si

Proper posture and ball rotation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T80T3t7FEuQ

How to physically disassemble and assemble the ball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQhDmx_rzfE

Tkank You and enjoy!



Alojz Hribernik, Head of sales

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:00 am 
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Twistball seems nice! I got to order one!


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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:44 am 
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mixer wrote:
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During this time we have two web sites: http://www.twistball.si and http://www.twist-ball.de
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Thank you for the information. I ordered one at http://www.twist-ball.de
I'm a bit worried:
- I had to pay via bank transfer in advance (no Paypal)
- I did not receive a confirmation email.
- The email address I had found on the webpage (info(at)twist-ball.de) did not work. I got an error message:
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SMTP error from remote server after RCPT command:
host: mail.twist-ball.de
SMTP authentication is required.
Could you possibly PM me a working email address?
I have sent my email again to info(at)twistball.si
At least the second wasn't rejected immediately as the first one.

BTW, I ordered the same version as on your photo in the other thread I liked this pattern the best :)

P.S. The quality of the German webpage is pretty low. The translation seems to be just a tiny bit better than the automatic Google translation. :roll: E.g.:
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Das Twist ball Concept ist ähnlich wie beim Rubin Würfel.
= The Twistball concept is similar to that of the Rubin cube.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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I think the Twistball with the flowers is a bit more difficult than the Dino Cube, because the pieces must also be orientated correctly?

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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mixer wrote:
I think the Twistball with the flowers is a bit more difficult than the Dino Cube, because the pieces must also be orientated correctly?
I think the difference is minor. It is similar as a Compy Cube (a shallow cut Dino) where the centre of rotation is exposed.

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 Post subject: Pyraminx ball
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I know absoluteley no Slovenian, but it appears from their website that Twistball made some promotional Coca-Cola can puzzles for the Slovenian Division of Coca-Cola.
I would love to have two of those! If there is a Twisty Puzzle member who lives in that area of the planet that could get their hands on two, I would gladly pay for them and pay for the shipping to my area of the planet (California, USA). Please PM me if you can help!


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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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Buttchucky wrote:
I know absoluteley no Slovenian, but it appears from their website that Twistball made some promotional Coca-Cola can puzzles for the Slovenian Division of Coca-Cola.
I would love to have two of those! If there is a Twisty Puzzle member who lives in that area of the planet that could get their hands on two, I would gladly pay for them and pay for the shipping to my area of the planet (California, USA). Please PM me if you can help!

The English language site is coming soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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Buttchucky wrote:
I know absoluteley no Slovenian, but it appears from their website that Twistball made some promotional Coca-Cola can puzzles for the Slovenian Division of Coca-Cola.
I would love to have two of those! If there is a Twisty Puzzle member who lives in that area of the planet that could get their hands on two, I would gladly pay for them and pay for the shipping to my area of the planet (California, USA). Please PM me if you can help!


I only see drawings / computer renderings of this design on the site, so it seems likely to me that this is just an example of the kind of promotional designs they can offer, rather than a design that has actually been produced.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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Buttchucky wrote:
I know absoluteley no Slovenian, but it appears from their website that Twistball made some promotional Coca-Cola can puzzles for the Slovenian Division of Coca-Cola.
I would love to have two of those! If there is a Twisty Puzzle member who lives in that area of the planet that could get their hands on two, I would gladly pay for them and pay for the shipping to my area of the planet (California, USA). Please PM me if you can help!


You dont have to know Slovenian, I did send an email in English and got a reply in English, no problem, just ask if they sell the Coca-Cola puzzle. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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Some more news from Slovenia :
The page www.twistball.eu will be ready within 14 days. The PayPal option will of course be included. We are still looking for the cheapest option for sending the Twist balls around the World.

Advertising balls are not for sale, therefore Coca-Cola puzzle is not for sale. It has never been made​​. We only created a computer animation.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:42 pm 
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Thanks so much for the update, mixer!

Twistball certainly became a high-profile puzzle in TP recently. :lol:

I personally love all sphere shape puzzles.


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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:05 am 
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I love that one too.
I hope they will release the globe design.
I love globes and have a few of them.
That's why I designed the cube globe, which then was produced...


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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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mixer wrote:
Some more news from Slovenia :
The page http://www.twistball.eu will be ready within 14 days. The PayPal option will of course be included. We are still looking for the cheapest option for sending the Twist balls around the World.

This is true. I have had some contact and will be helping them with some promotion. I told them that most buyers would be Americans who desire PayPal on an English language site. Anything else will have a substantially negative impact on sales.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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I guess I should apologize for getting folks (especially me) spun up over the Coke puzzle that does not physically exist. That being said, the rendering of that puzzle as shown on the website, as well as the globe puzzle, would be an exciting addition to the Twisty Puzzles collection. I hope they consider doing them.


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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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I Tried to buy it in .eu but the paypal acces don,t run
Anyone have had the same problem-?

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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juanan wrote:
I Tried to buy it in .eu but the paypal acces don,t run
Anyone have had the same problem-?

This seems earlier than expected. I wonder if they are still setting up everything. I'd suggest giving it another week.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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If someone manages to successfully order from the .eu site with PayPal please can they post it here.
Thanks.

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Today, I got an email from info(at)twist-ball.de that they processed my order. I'll post again after I have received it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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They dont seem to be good organised at the moment, I got a mail today to ask for my address to send the puzzle, I recieved the puzzle 12 days ago. I answered that I already had the puzzle and that I am very pleased with it. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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Hello to all Puzzle lovers from Twist ball!

I would like to ask You all for a little patience. We work very hard on our international web page http://www.twistball.eu. The page is only a few days old. Therefore there are minor problems.

Within a week all problems will be solved. Also the option to pay via PAYPAL will be added. We will send Twist ball Worldwide.

Also the web page will be updated with improved films about Twist ball.

Please give us a few more days and then let's Twist!

Thank You All!

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Welcome to the forum, Alojz! :)

I'm looking forward to my Twistball and shall post some photos when I get it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pyraminx ball
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I received my parcel a day or two ago. I only offer to promote puzzles that I like and appear to be of good quality. These certainly tick both boxes. Movement is superb which is not always the case on spherical puzzles. The balls are surprisingly light despite being quite big. I definitely think this would make a good twistypuzzles.com puzzle.
From left to right, Flower Ball (4 flowers), Rainbow (5 colours), Basket Ball, Football, Flower Ball (6 flowers).
Videos to follow shortly.

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Konrad ordered the Flower Twistball, Tony bought 2 Flower Twistballs, I've bought the Flower Twistball, it must be springtime. :mrgreen:

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Tony Fisher wrote:
The balls are surprisingly light despite being quite big.

They look great, can you tell me please what size are they ?

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SunnWinder wrote:
Tony Fisher wrote:
The balls are surprisingly light despite being quite big.

They look great, can you tell me please what size are they ?

A tad under 10cm / 4 inches

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Hello to all Puzzle lovers from Twist ball!

Each of our Twist ball is hand inspected before being packed. So you do not need to worry about the quality. The quality is our main concern!
When printing patterns we are using the highest quality paint that can be bought on the market. Under normal use the color pattern will never be erased.

We will open a new topic about Twist ball. However, some basic information about Twist ball:

Twist ball is a spherical 3D puzzle without any internal mechanism. Twist ball consists of 20 pieces in two basic shapes - a triangle with concave side and a leaf. The pieces slide into each other thanks to embedded tracks. The rotation of the ball is smooth. Whenever the position of the pieces is changed, there is a distinct "CLICK" sound. The Twist ball puzzle has a number of difficulty levels, depending on the pattern printed on it. Tha ball can be separated into pieces and reassembled in a short time without any tools.

We also manufacture balls with company logos, sports teams emblems ... You can find more on: http://www.twistball.eu/twist-ball-za-podjetja/.
We can print almost anything on the ball. With a special notch in the triangle Twist ball can also save your coins. So you can get a great educational toy, advertising material and a coin storage all in one product!!

The size of the Twist ball is a 100 mm diameter ball. The weight of the ball is about 100 grams.

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Lucie You are right. It is a springtime! A lot of flowers on the field and a lot of work to twist your skills.

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I think the puzzle is brilliant, so nice to have a puzzle without internal mechanism, simple and yet perfectly twisty. :idea:
A puzzle that I bought immediately when I found out about it, without hesitating, and the flower design is so nice, very Flower Power.

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For the Slovenian state PayPal has some special regulations. I hope that in a few days PAYPAL will be added to our web site.

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PayPal is a must for me as well.. hopefully soon. Getting more and more interested *grin*

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zjola500 wrote:
For the Slovenian state PayPal has some special regulations. I hope that in a few days PAYPAL will be added to our web site.

Alojz

I hope so too!!
I have placed an order (#905) and received the invoice. BUT I will not do a bank transfer because my bank charges €17 for an international transfer and that is more than the cost of the puzzle!!!

I emailed by mail to info@twistball.eu and the email bounced as undeliverable!
I used the contact page on the website and that also bounced back as undeliverable!!

So what to do now? You appear to be un-contactable and un-payable from the UK.
All I need is a PayPal address or alternative way of paying that is not going to double my costs! Plus you really should have a contact email that works!

Please get in touch so I can pay my bill!

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...BUT I will not do a bank transfer because my bank charges €17 for an international transfer and that is more than the cost of the puzzle!!!

I emailed by mail to info@twistball.eu and the email bounced as undeliverable!
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You see, there is an advantage to be in Euro-land, after all :lol:
(I had no additional costs for the bank transfer to Slovenia.)

I got a reply when I wrote to 'info(at)twistball.si' in English. The .de address bounced back as well.
Later I got a confirmation from info(at)twist-ball.de.

I guess, they are still getting things in place. Probably, you better cancel your first order and place a new one when Paypal is ready.

I'm still waiting for mine and I'll be away for a short vacation for a few days. It might be here when I return.

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zjola500 wrote:
For the Slovenian state PayPal has some special regulations. I hope that in a few days PAYPAL will be added to our web site.

Alojz

I hope so too!!
I have placed an order (#905) and received the invoice. BUT I will not do a bank transfer because my bank charges €17 for an international transfer and that is more than the cost of the puzzle!!!

I emailed by mail to info@twistball.eu and the email bounced as undeliverable!
I used the contact page on the website and that also bounced back as undeliverable!!

So what to do now? You appear to be un-contactable and un-payable from the UK.
All I need is a PayPal address or alternative way of paying that is not going to double my costs! Plus you really should have a contact email that works!

Please get in touch so I can pay my bill!

Haven't you already answered this yourself within the quote from zjola500? They clearly can't provide PayPal until they can provide PayPal and they can't iron out the problems until they iron out the problems.

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This seems like a interesting puzzle for me to me buy.
I will definitely buy this once I hear they sorted out their paypal issues.

And also by the way, Tony are you planning to attack this puzzle with your puzzle making knife? :lol:


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AlexM wrote:
This seems like a interesting puzzle for me to me buy.
I will definitely buy this once I hear they sorted out their paypal issues.

And also by the way, Tony are you planning to attack this puzzle with your puzzle making knife? :lol:

Oh Yes.

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I splitted the Twistball related posts from the thread started originally by juanan asking about the Pyraminx Ball.

I received my Twistball today.
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I ordered it on March 30 at http://www.twist-ball.de.
So it took a while, but everything turned out OK.
Actually, I like the puzzle design, the mechanism (without any core, quite ingenious) and the flowery pattern.

The TP museum says that it was invented in 2011 by Josip Matijek. I had never heard about it before I read the Pyraminx Ball topic.

Thanks for the hint!

Can somebody confirm if ordering from http://www.twistball.eu/ works by now (including Paypal)?

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Konrad wrote:
Can somebody confirm if ordering from http://www.twistball.eu/ works by now (including Paypal)?
Moments ago I tried to buy two, flower and 5-colour. Some of the buttons and text were still in Slovenian, but I was able to add the puzzles to the cart and get to the payment page. Unfortunately the only payment option is "bank transfer".

On a positive note, these look like great puzzles!

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Geert wrote a PM to me that the Twistball was mentioned in The less rare puzzle thread. Geert wrote on March 29th
Geert March 29th 2013 wrote:
The puzzle is basically the same as Lorente’s Sphere, presented by Douglas Hofstadter in his July 1982 Scientific American article about the Rubik’s Cube and related puzzles.

3D printed samples of another version of this puzzle were made in 2009 (expIained below).

I assume that the present puzzle is an invention by Josip Matijek.
His puzzle was first presented on this forum by Sandy on 14 October 2004, see viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3175.
It also mentions a patent.

A 3d-printed sample of a similar version of this puzzle was made in 2009.
That started with a design request by me (at the time being unaware of Mr Josip Matijek) on this forum on 15 May 2008, see viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9777

The challenge was picked up by Adam Cowan and based on his design I had a 3d sample printed.
This was presented on 8 November 2009, see viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15331

In between the design request and the final realisation of the puzzle I was looking for more information about Lorente’s Sphere and similar puzzles.
I discovered the initial information by Sandy and I was able to contact Mr Josip Matijek.
Initially this was via snail mail, later on also via e-mail.

Mr Josip Matijek explained to me that he made a first prototype of his version of the puzzle in 1989. A second version was made in 1996 (more samples).
Initially he called his puzzle ‘Kultball’.
He mentioned that the puzzle consisted of 20 parts all together, using 2 ‘element’ parts: a ‘permutator’ (12 parts) and a ‘rotator’ (8 parts) and he also mentioned that the inside of the puzzle was ‘empty’.
Mr Josip Matijek was trying to get the puzzle mass-produced which was difficult at the time, partly because of the political and economic situation in those years in the area he lived.
In 2009, he had 2 official licensees in Sarajevo for mass-producing the puzzle. There was a website but that website is no longer available.
In total he had 8 different designs (patterns) for the puzzle which was measuring 100 mm in diameter.

Mr Josip Matijek was born in Croatia in 1950 and lived in Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina) for 50 years until he emigrated to Australia in 2003 were he is living in the area of Sydney (at least in 2009).


Congratulations to Mr Josip Matijek for finally getting this lovely puzzle mass-produced.

Geert
I did not recollect Geert's post, when I splitted this topic off the Pyraminx Ball thread.
Instead of moving Geert's post from the other thread to here, I decided to quote it, so we have the very valid information in both topics.

Another issue:
On the package it says:
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OVER 3 BILLION PERMUTATIONS
I suppose there is a calculation error???

[edit]They describe on the German website that the puzzle can be disassembled and dfferently re-assembled.
Taking this into account, the 3*10^12 can be justified. [/edit]

I calculate (12!/2)*3^8 = 1,571,364,748,800 = 1.571*10^12 (Like a Super Rainbow Cube or Compy Cube. The eight centres of rotations - kind of triangles - can have 3 orientations independent of each other)
Obviously, the calculation counts the number of permutations that can be reached by physical permutations and does not consider the fact that only even permutations are possible via twisting the Twistball.
Note that the word "billion" refers in many languages to 10^12 and not to 10^9 as in American English.
(In BE English it is even worse because journalists sometimes take over the US meaning and sometimes they use it in the original way :roll: Source: Wikipedia )
Can someone comfirm or contradict my calculation?

Anyway, this is a nice puzzle and because it is so easy to solve, you can just follow your taste when choosing one.
(Easy for the people here, for children it will be hard enough :wink: )

EDIT: In my opinion, the (flower) Twistball is visually harder than a Dino / Rainbow / Compy Cube.
I solved it several times and turning is certainly hard for the small hands of children.
I have disassembled it and shall lubricate it tomorrow.

EDIT2: I made some effort to copy the original post made by Geert on March 29th in The less rare puzzle thread the first post in Twistball thread.
I think that Geert deserves it that his name is tightly connected with the history of this puzzle!

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Is it possible to buy pure white TwistBall, with no printed design?

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KelvinS wrote:
Is it possible to buy pure white TwistBall, with no printed design?

Don't be silly, they would be soooooooooooo easy to solve!! Seriously though you can sand off the patterns quite easily if you can't, as I did on my Open Twist Ball.

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Tony Fisher wrote:
KelvinS wrote:
Is it possible to buy pure white TwistBall, with no printed design?

Don't be silly, they would be soooooooooooo easy to solve!!
Not if it opens like a treasure chest only in one unmarked (secret) configuration: you'd have to try all 1.5 trillion permutations - while remembering which ones you've already tried. :lol:

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Seriously though you can sand off the patterns quite easily if you can't, as I did on my Open Twist Ball.
Why spend time sanding off the pattern after they've spent time applying it? Surely it is easier (and will look nicer, given my complete lack of patience and craftsmanship) just to ask them not to bother with the pattern, and send it without. :wink:

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Think of removing the printed pattern as a challenge, which will give you great satisfaction if you do it well, and also improve your puzzle making/modding skills :P

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KelvinS wrote:
Tony Fisher wrote:
KelvinS wrote:
Is it possible to buy pure white TwistBall, with no printed design?

Don't be silly, they would be soooooooooooo easy to solve!!
Not if it opens like a treasure chest only in one unmarked (secret) configuration: you'd have to try all 1.5 trillion permutations - while remembering which ones you've already tried. :lol:

Taking this more seriously than intended actually you wouldn't. Remember I solved a blank treasure chest? The practise is often easier than the theory.

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Tony Fisher wrote:
Taking this more seriously than intended actually you wouldn't. Remember I solved a blank treasure chest? The practise is often easier than the theory.
Actually, it's a case of statistics, so you would have to try 1.5 trillion permutations *on average*, however you could get lucky and solve it in just one turn - or unlucky and require several trillion turns, by repeating the same incorrect permutations. :wink:

Similarly, it takes 6 throws of a dice *on average* to get any particular number, but it may take more or less in practice.

And it takes 2 flips of a coin *on average* to get a head, or a tail, but it may take more or less in practice.

So either you got lucky with the treasure chest, used some inaccuracy in the design to "feel" your way (like picking a lock), or there just aren't that many possible permutations. :wink:

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KelvinS wrote:
So either you got lucky with the treasure chest, used some inaccuracy in the design to "feel" your way (like picking a lock), or there just aren't that many possible permutations. :wink:

That is it.

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Twistball seems nice! I got to order one!


Yes! But which one?! :shock:

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Konrad wrote:
The TP museum says that it was invented in 2011 by Josip Matijek.
Writing that long description was a tough job. Without Geert and heis earlier posting it would have been impossible.
Thank you Geert.


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Twist ball!

Twist ball is a logical puzzle toy with 20 pieces in two basic shapes - a triangle with concave sides and a leaf. The pieces slide into each other thanks to embedded tracks, allowing the player to put the twist ball together.

Twist ball is a perfect 3D spherical puzzle without any internal mechanism. This makes it very different from other 3D puzzles. The rotation of the ball is very smooth. Whenever the position of the pieces is shanged, there is a distinct "click" sound. The Twist ball puzzles has a number of difficulty levels, depending on the pattern (13 different) printed on it. The ball can be separated into peaces and reassembled in a short time without any tools.

Each Twist ball can pass through 3,14 Billion unique but related combinations.

The original size of the Twist ball is a 100 mm diameter ball. The ball weighs 105 grams. The game is suitable for a wide range of players, from 7 years old to adult.

Twistball is produced in four versions:

Rainbow collection(four-color, five-color, love ball.
Extreme collection L (Flower ball, Square ball, Spiral ball, Ring ball) - four samples on the ball.
Extreme collection XL (Flower ball, Square ball, Spiral ball, Ring ball) - six samples on the ball.
Sport collection (Soccer ball, Basket ball).

We also produce promotional balls for companies by printing different logos on Twist ball: http://www.twistball.eu/twistball-for-companies/

You can see more on: http://www.twistball.eu

Manufacturer:
MOL d.o.o.
Trnoveljska cesta 36
3000 Celje
Slovenia
http://www.twistball.eu


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