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 Post subject: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:53 am 
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The rules are very simple - If you have the key you can open the lock and rotate the face. Warning - it is very difficult puzzle ;)

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impossible cubes
1) Zerro Cube - 0 key, 2) Locked Cube - 1 key

two keys
3) Bingo cube - the most difficult puzzle in this set. This is Deeper-than-Origin Puzzles
author: Pytlivyj, see: viewtopic.php?p=261902#p261902
more info: http://www.twistypuzzles.com/forum/view ... =1&t=24039
4) Twin cube - Very interesting puzzle

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three keys
5) Trio Cube,
6) Spiral Cube - very similar solution

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one key and free face
7) Freedom Cube

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corner version: Enabler Cube from Oskar
http://www.shapeways.com/model/676938/enabler-cube.html

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:01 pm 
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This puzzle es so easy to solve in any way. I would just draw keys on paperbits and stick them on. Any move is instantly possible. No need to peel of stickers. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:21 am 
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Is there a variant with keys on the corners?
Just another number-crunching-task: How many of the 2^24 variants are essentially different?

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3) Bingo cube - [snip]. This is Deeper-than-Origin Puzzles
author: Pytlivyj, see: viewtopic.php?p=261902#p261902

Yes!
Very interesting property.


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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:36 am 
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I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more of a response, this is a very interesting new technique!


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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:28 am 
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I was away on vacation when this came out, but now that I've had a chance to read through the post and view the video, I am amazed. Not only has a mechanism been created to make a two-axis deeper than origin cube (along with many other variants), but Oskar has taken the concept one step further to create a three-axis deeper than origin cube! Simply astounding.

Now I am dying to see the mechanisms that make these incredible cubes work. Please show some pictures of the insides!

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Another variant along the lines of the Twin Cube would to make there be one side of one edge which has a key, and one face which doesn't have a lock.


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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:09 pm 
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David Pitcher wrote:
I was away on vacation when this came out,
I'm just now seeing this for the first time too. Just ordered a new personal PC and it should be here by the end of the month. See I disappear for a month and look what happens.
David Pitcher wrote:
but now that I've had a chance to read through the post and view the video, I am amazed.
Me too. Has this mechanism been disclosed? If so PLEASE point me to it. At the moment I have no idea how this is doing what its doing. That's my favorite kind of mechanism.
David Pitcher wrote:
Not only has a mechanism been created to make a two-axis deeper than origin cube (along with many other variants),
So that is what he means when he says:
grigr wrote:
two keys
3) Bingo cube - the most difficult puzzle in this set. This is Deeper-than-Origin Puzzles
author: Pytlivyj, see: viewtopi ... 02#p261902
more info: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24039
Hmmm... doesn't the Bingo Cube equate to the puzzle with just one edge key? What am I missing?
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but Oskar has taken the concept one step further to create a three-axis deeper than origin cube! Simply astounding.
WHAT!!! WHERE?!!! Ahh I see... its a corner key puzzle. NICE!!!
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Now I am dying to see the mechanisms that make these incredible cubes work. Please show some pictures of the insides!
So you are in the same boat... that will teach you to go on vacation. LOL!! Me, I've been away for most of a month and I now feel like I'm a year behind. I'm tempted to buy Oskar's puzzle just to see the mechanism. I wonder if the mechs are similar between the edge key and corner key puzzles. Or if they are compatible? Can you have edge keys and corner keys on the same puzzles?

And as I don't quite understand the 2 edge key puzzle mentioned above (how it is the Bingo Cube) I can't quite see the 3, 4, 5, and 6 key versions either. Maybe the question I should be asking is how is the 1 edge key version not the Bingo Cube.

Oh and I love the name Jailbreak Cube. It fits perfectly.

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:05 am 
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Bram wrote:
I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more of a response, this is a very interesting new technique!

Thank You :)

David Pitcher wrote:
Please show some pictures of the insides!

Oscar mechanism you can see on the page Enabler Cube ...
it uses a different method

I want to make this cube on ShapeWays, then I'll show my mechanism.
my mechanism universal - it gives to build any combination.
I have to try to expand my combination and add the Corner-Unlock-Key :)

Bram wrote:
Another variant along the lines of the Twin Cube would to make there be one side of one edge which has a key, and one face which doesn't have a lock.

Very Interest. Thank You :)
I try it...

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also see similar puzzle: Crossroad Cube (or Latch IV Cube)

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Anyone like to play this cube can download my program and select "Lock cube".

Bingo cube : input "+7+5"
Twin cube : input "+6+8"
Trio cube : input "+5+8+7"
Spiral cube : input "+6+5+8"
Enabler Cube : input "+3+2+1"

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:16 pm 
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Here's an idea for a variant: Instead of the hidden locking parts being a single piece, there are eight pieces, four under the edges of the center, and four under the corners of the center. The ones under the edges don't directly lock themselves but push down the pieces under the corners, which do directly lock. All four of the corners need to be pushed down in order for it to turn, resulting in the rule that there have to be two keys on opposite edges to unlock a face's turning.


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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:30 pm 
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grigr wrote:
Oscar mechanism you can see on the page Enabler Cube ...
it uses a different method
This isn't what I consider the best mechanism picture... Image
grigr wrote:
I want to make this cube on ShapeWays, then I'll show my mechanism.
Ok I can wait. May I ask if Oskar or Bram has seen your mechanism? My guess is they must understand it based on Bram's comments and Oskar's corner version. I guess if I had some free time I might be able to study Oskar's pic and the comments that have been made and figure it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Jailbreak Cube (or Latch III Cube)
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wwwmwww wrote:
May I ask if Oskar or Bram has seen your mechanism? My guess is they must understand it based on Bram's comments and Oskar's corner version.


I have not. I'm making some inferences. I believe Oskar's corner version is a completely different mechanism.


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