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 Post subject: Mondrian cubePosted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 4:12 am

Joined: Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:18 pm
Location: Palerang Shire, NSW, Australia
Knocked this up on thursday night. Only a few hours work in it and I'm pretty happy with it. I've been wanting to make this variation for a while. Not sure if it's been done before though.

The stickers are vinyl film.

Solved position:
[img]1014645126.JPG.htm]

Solved position angle 2:
[img]1014645133.JPG.htm]

Centre swap move. Interesting pattern:
[img]1014645140.JPG.htm]

Mixed:
[img]1014645154.JPG.htm]

Wayne

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 Post subject: NicePosted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 7:30 am

Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 7:03 pm
Where does the name come from Wayne? Also, I was wondering how big your 2x2x3 cube is? (the one on the front page)

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 Post subject: 2x2x3 sizePosted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:57 am

Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:31 am
Location: New York
well, the 2x2x3 is made from 3x3 cubies,
so its size shoudl be

x= 57mm (size of standard cube)
2/3x * 2/3x * x

i dont have a calculator out, but i guess you can figure it out

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 Post subject: Looks can be deceivingPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:06 am

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2001 10:09 am
Location: Great State of Washington
The 2x2x3 that the Puzzlemeister1 auctioned off was much larger than normal sized cubes. It was made based off of a 4x4x4 mechanism with larger custom made sized cubies.

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 Post subject: Re: Looks can be deceivingPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:39 am

Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:31 am
Location: New York
So it was a bandaged, extended 4x4?

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 Post subject: Have you read Waynes interview?Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 5:05 am

Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 7:03 pm
On the front page near the pictures there are links to some interviews. one of them is all about using 3x3x3s to extend to dominos, 2x2x3s etc. it seems that you put really big 'cubes' around the existing ones, and i was just wondering if this is how wayne made his 2x2x3... the reason i asked is because i know 'looks can be deceiving'. the pic actually looks like theyre 2x2x2 cubies...

wayne are you out there? how big is it??

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 Post subject: The namePosted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 2:41 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:18 pm
Location: Palerang Shire, NSW, Australia
Mondrian was an artist (early 20th century I think - can't remember). His art was all about 2d geographical shapes, mainly lines of squares, using nothing but primary colours and neutrals. I really liked his art during highschool.

You can see examples of his art here: http://images.google.com/images?q=mondrian&hl=en

Oh the 2x2x3 cubies are from a standard 3x3x3 so they're the same size. The kernal is a keychain cube. Perfect dimensions.

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 Post subject: SorryPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:27 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:18 pm
Location: Palerang Shire, NSW, Australia
My internet was down yesterday so I couldn't get to the board. I'm here. Standard 3x3x3 cubes attached to a keychain sized 3x3x3 kernal.

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 Post subject: DimensionsPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:57 pm

Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 7:03 pm
what are the dimensions of the cubes you used? (both small and large)

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 Post subject: Mondrian sizePosted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:29 am

Joined: Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:18 pm
Location: Palerang Shire, NSW, Australia
??? Just your standard Rubik's cube size. Nothing special. For sticker variations, size doesn'r matter that much.

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 Post subject: Minicube sizePosted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:58 am

Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 7:03 pm
Sorry Wayne, I meant what size was the mini cube you used in the 2x2x3? There are heaps of different sizes for them and I was wondering what size you used, and if the size does indeed matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you read Waynes interview?Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:05 am

Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:31 am
Location: New York
I dont know about wayne's personally, but it can be made with a keychain inner cube (3x3) and a 57 mm outer cube... I am getting one in a trade. ill give you the size when i get it, but it should be 57 x 38 x 38 mm

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 Post subject: Fisher...Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:06 am

Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:31 am
Location: New York
tony fisher molded larger cubes around 57mm kernels i think, but you CAN make it with a mini and regular cube

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 Post subject: Another 2x2x3 questionPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:07 am

Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2000 9:11 pm
Location: Dubuque, IA area
Also, Wayne, did you also have to shave down some of the edges and corners to make it work, or was the keychain cube small enough compared to the regular cube to not have to do that?

Doug.

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 Post subject: Re: Another 2x2x3 questionPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:24 am

Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:31 am
Location: New York
I can answer these questions generically, these answers are correct (they may not pertain to wayne)

1. 31mm mini cube (sold @ rubiks.com)
2. The incisions made on the cube, in fisher's diagram on that article on twisty ARE the shaved edges + corners. these can be done with a dremel tool (Ton has done this) or other ways

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 Post subject: 2x2x3 questionPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:40 am

Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2000 9:11 pm
Location: Dubuque, IA area
But, do the edges and corners NEED to be trimmed? If the kernal cube is small enough compared to the final cubie size, no trimming would be neccessary. What I'm getting at is "How small does the kernal 3x3x3 cube have to be to eliminate all trimming to make a regular size (34x34x57mm) 2x2x3 cube?"

Doug.

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 Post subject: MondrianPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:41 pm
Indeed, I've always thought Rubik's cubes had a Mondrian-ish look to them. Apart from that day-glo orange side!

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 Post subject: Wow!!Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:27 pm

Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 7:03 pm
it looks awesome!!! and it wouldnt be too big... so a mini cube and standard 3x3x3 sizes work nicely? what are the dimensions of the cubes you used?

i guess using the same idea, you could make a working 5x3x3??

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 Post subject: Re: 2x2x3 questionPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2002 5:40 am

Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:31 am
Location: New York
if you used a micro cube (20mm)
probably no trimming would be needed of the kernel.
but then you get into trimming the outer cube.

if you open a 57mm, the part of it's edge that connects to the mechanism (called "cube connector" here on) is the same size as a 31mm cubie.
now, this part gets cut down and glued to a 31mm to make a 2x2x3.
but, with a 20mm kernel, that cubie connector would have to be trimmed down by 2.3333 mm on each side of it. this is very hard to do.
anything else?

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 Post subject: ShavingPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2002 1:43 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:18 pm
Location: Palerang Shire, NSW, Australia
Yes, definately had to shave corners as per the article. 10 Edges completely shaved, 2 edges one half side shaved, 8 Corners half side shaved.

Gives the outer "normal sized" cubies a track to run through.

Restickering my first one. Considering trading it.

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 Post subject: Must be trimmedPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2002 1:46 pm

Joined: Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:18 pm
Location: Palerang Shire, NSW, Australia
All corners MUST be trimmed to give the outer cubies a track. I put the shaved pieces together incorrectly when I first finished the kernel and the puzzle locked.

Minicubes: Don't go any smaller than this as the puzzle will be too weak (a large cubie attached to a very small point).

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