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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:53 pm 
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Hi,

Does anyone have a Magic Cube from it's original 1977 production run? And how can you tell if you do?

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prostx23 wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone have a Magic Cube from it's original 1977 production run? And how can you tell if you do?

thanks,
Mike

I'm not sure I'm right, but the first cubes was made by Politechnika, so if you buy a cube in a politechnika box, it is probably made before 1979!
If I'm right the politechnika factoy is changed to Politoys at 1979 (or 80).

In my collection in this picture, you can see one at the Right side:
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The box said it is "Bűvös kocka" (Magic cube), and it is made by the Politechnika!

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Olivér Nagy wrote:
prostx23 wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone have a Magic Cube from it's original 1977 production run? And how can you tell if you do?

thanks,
Mike

I'm not sure I'm right, but the first cubes was made by Politechnika, so if you buy a cube in a politechnika box, it is probably made before 1979!
If I'm right the politechnika factoy is changed to Politoys at 1979 (or 80).

In my collection in this picture, you can see one at the Right side:
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The box said it is "Bűvös kocka" (Magic cube), and it is made by the Politechnika!


You are correct. I'm just wondering if anyone has a cube from the initial 5000 piece production run from Politechnika in 1977... and if there was any differences from later (1978-1979) runs.


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prostx23 wrote:
You are correct. I'm just wondering if anyone has a cube from the initial 5000 piece production run from Politechnika in 1977... and if there was any differences from later (1978-1979) runs.

I don't know how to different the years.
I think there is no difference.
I had more than this one, and if I remember well I have one for sale somewhere. And the package and the cube are the same...

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Well, there *are* differences, even between Politechnika cubes.

The time line goes as follows: Politechnika - Politoys/Pentangle - ITC - ...

For all we know f.i. is that the painted version came after the first stickered version.
The same goes for stickered versions: the ones with square stickers are older than the ones with rounded stickers.

Regarding the packaging itself, the boxes with Hungarian text are in my opinion the oldest ones as there was no market outside Hungary in the beginning (not even speaking outside the Eastern block). So the Politechnika boxes with English, French and German text are of a later production.

Also the weight is important. In the beginning the cubies were not hollow, so an early cube weighs about 143 grams, whereas the later production cubes weigh about 117 grams (always speaking of Politechnika cubes) and 'modern-old' cubes (Politoys, ITC) about 102 grams.

A last clue is given by the texture of the cubies that is so strong that it filters through the stickers: with an oblique incidence of light you notice a raised strike going through the middle of all the edge cubies (I guess this was due to the not so perfect original moulds).

So if you have a 143 gram cube with square stickers and raised strikes on the edge cubies in a Hungarian Politechnika box, you can be sure that is one of the oldest available.

Regarding the date, I was told by Rainer Seitz that these (description above) were from the 1977 production run.

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Probably Georges is right!
I have seem cubes with full pieces, and hallow ones. (all politechnika)
If I'm right, the painted version is made by a company in the USA! So they are not original Politechnika!

But today I'll ask for the details at the Rubik Studio!

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Here is a picture to show what I mean with "raised strike".
The cube is from 1978, but has been restickered.
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And here are some of my "research" objects:
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Georges wrote:
Here is a picture to show what I mean with "raised strike".
The cube is from 1978, but has been restickered.
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And here are some of my "research" objects:
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Georges,

Thanks for the info. Do you know if any of that original 1977 run has survived?

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prostx23 wrote:

Georges,

Thanks for the info. Do you know if any of that original 1977 run has survived?

Mike


Well, I'm pretty sure I have 2 of these (I sent the third this morning to a friend in France), but I wouldn't "put my shirt on that man" of course.
You see, there are no indications whatsoever on the cardboard boxes.
For that reason I can only listen to information straight from the horse's mouth (David Singmaster, Rainer Seitz).

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János Kovács (the leader of the Rubik Studio) said, that tomorrow he will have time to tell me all the infos I want from the early cubes.
So if you have any questions, just tell me, and I'll ask János about it!

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Olivér, thank you for this offer.
All my questions are based on http://www.rubikkocka.hu/pages/kronologia.htm
Ok, here we go:

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1977 12 thousand cubes are manufactured for the domestic market

1. Were these cubes packaged in the well known Politechnika light blue cardboard boxes?

2. Did they have the square stickers?

3. Were all of these cubes sold via TRIAL or were there only sold less than 5000?
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1978 2100 cubes have been exported so far


4. Were these the same as the above (from the first productions) in Hungarian boxes?
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17 September 1979 Contract between Ideal Toys and KONSUMEX Export-Import


5. What about the deal with Pentangle (UK)? Why is this deal forgotten? When was this contract made? What did it say?

6. Pentangle got the cubes without the cardboard boxes, instead they were delivered in plastic bags like this one:
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Can you confirm this?

7. How came that the Pentangle contract was overridden by the contract with ITC? Oblivion?

8. When did production of Politechnika boxes in foreign languages begin?

9. I know of English, French and German boxes. Were there others?

10. Do Politechnika promotional cubes exist?

11. Regarding the German Politechnika cubes: were they initially for East Germany or Western Germany?

12. Looking at this cube
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, can you confirm that Computer Consulting Munich was the only German import/export form?

13. Do you have any information about why and how many cubes were made with these white inlays?
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(I believe this is from a Politoys production though, thus a later production)

14. Do you know the bleow packaging I could not attribute so far?
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The letters R - U - B - I - K are 'punched' into the cardboard sides of the packaging.

15. When exactly was Politechnika changed to Politoys and why?

16. Was there a reason no to print the Politechnika logo on the German and French boxes?
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17. On the German packaging it says "handmade". What's the meaning of this? Were the cubes assembled by hand and stickered by hand or was there more to "handmade"?
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18. What is the meaning of the stamp on the Hungarian box in the picture above?

19. Who were the import firms for the English and French cubes, if CCM was the import firm for German cubes?

20. Do you have any idea why these export cubes don't bear the TRIAL logo?

21. What is the meaning of the license number 170 062?

Thank you beforehand for trying to find answers to my questions.
These questions have been bothering me for a long time.
And I'm sure others are looking forward to some answers, too.

That's about all I remember for the moment regarding Politechnika light blue box magic cubes.
The next round will be about Politoys dark blue boxes.
Then we will have to consider the plastic cylinder boxes from Politoys and the other cubes that were sold in these (blind man's cube, domino)

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Georges wrote:
21. What is the meaning of the license number 170 062?


I can answer this one. It is the Hungarian patent number - HU170062.

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21. What is the meaning of the license number 170 062?


I can answer this one. It is the Hungarian patent number - HU170062.


Thank you Jaap!

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Hi Georges,

In addition some of the earliest cubes' squared off stickers are actually rectangular.

When newer improved molds were put into production the original molds, which left that raised strike, were retired and kept. Later Ideal used original molds on production runs. I have examples of both.

David J

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Georges wrote:
Well, there *are* differences, even between Politechnika cubes.

The time line goes as follows: Politechnika - Politoys/Pentangle - ITC - ...

For all we know f.i. is that the painted version came after the first stickered version.
The same goes for stickered versions: the ones with square stickers are older than the ones with rounded stickers.

Regarding the packaging itself, the boxes with Hungarian text are in my opinion the oldest ones as there was no market outside Hungary in the beginning (not even speaking outside the Eastern block). So the Politechnika boxes with English, French and German text are of a later production.

Also the weight is important. In the beginning the cubies were not hollow, so an early cube weighs about 143 grams, whereas the later production cubes weigh about 117 grams (always speaking of Politechnika cubes) and 'modern-old' cubes (Politoys, ITC) about 102 grams.

A last clue is given by the texture of the cubies that is so strong that it filters through the stickers: with an oblique incidence of light you notice a raised strike going through the middle of all the edge cubies (I guess this was due to the not so perfect original moulds).

So if you have a 143 gram cube with square stickers and raised strikes on the edge cubies in a Hungarian Politechnika box, you can be sure that is one of the oldest available.

Regarding the date, I was told by Rainer Seitz that these (description above) were from the 1977 production run.


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I've spoke with János.
he said that He can't answer may of your questions right now.
But I've printed them, and gave them to János. He said, that he know someone who worked at Politechnika at the sales. And maybe he will know some answers.

But he tell me some:

The most important is about the first edited cubes:

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3. Were all of these cubes sold via TRIAL or were there only sold less than 5000?

Yes they where sold by TRIAL, and there where only 5000 of the first series (1977).

These cube are with full edge pieces.
Here some picture from my cube
(This is not the best cube, because this one is for sale. The one in my collection is in a better shape. But my collection is not here to take photos...)

And another thing that the stickers where so called "trimmed" (I'm not sure is this word exists in English...) this is the cause of some of the original stickers looks like they where "hand cutted"

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9. I know of English, French and German boxes. Were there others?

Yes there where! János is sure that there where different box for Poland, Russa, Bulgaria, maybe for Romania as well.

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13. Do you have any information about why and how many cubes were made with these white inlays?

I also had a cube like this.
There is a big chance, that they ran out of plastic, and they could only use recycled plastic. And probably there where no black from it. And because of the big rush they need to use white instead of black.
(János will newer confirm this I'm sure!)

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17. On the German packaging it says "handmade". What's the meaning of this? Were the cubes assembled by hand and stickered by hand or was there more to "handmade"?

Like nowdays, the Hungarian cubes are made by hand. It means the pieces casted, and from there the whole process is manual.
1 Making the "cross" with the 6 center.
2 put the inlays to the center pieces
3 Assemble the cube
4 Tune the tension
5 Put the center cups in
6 Sticker the cube
7 Packaging

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21. What is the meaning of the license number 170 062?

It is the Hungarian Patent number.

I know it is very few answers, but we hope János will provide us more in the future.
Maybe it is possible for me to meet with János's friend from the Politecnica/ Politoys, and then I can ask more!
I hope till then these answers are more that nothing for you!

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Thank you so far Olivér!
This is very interesting information, it is appreciated be it bit by bit!

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Hi
it is 1977 cube?
My friend bought this recently...

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Based on the details given and comparison between a version that I saw in the Slocum Puzzle Room in Indiana, I have been able to determine with quite a bit of certainty that I own one of the original Rubik's cubes ("one of the oldest" based on the colors, raised strike, packaging, and weight) from either 1977 or next-oldest. What is quite nice is that I found this specimen at a common thrift store for the low price of $3.99 :!: I love that thrift store. What I would like to know is if there is any way of telling between the "first run" and seconds, etc. In the picture posted by grigr, there is the word "TRIAL" with an accent over the "A". What does this word mean in English (I am assuming that it is a Hungarian word, although it bears a great similarity to the English word "Trial")?

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I was curious about that myself, so I looked up the entire phrase: "Forgalomba hozza: triál" in google translate. Obviously, this isn't a substitute for a Hungarian, but it appears to mean "Places: Trial" or perhaps "Circulation brings: Trial"

Edit: I think it may mean that the newest brand of manufactured rubik's cube brings you a trial? If google translate is correct, then this is a very vague label.

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I was curious about that myself, so I looked up the entire phrase: "Forgalomba hozza: triál" in google translate. Obviously, this isn't a substitute for a Hungarian, but it appears to mean "Places: Trial" or perhaps "Circulation brings: Trial"

Edit: I think it may mean that the newest brand of manufactured rubik's cube brings you a trial? If google translate is correct, then this is a very vague label.

TRIÁL was the name of the export-import company who had the right to sell the cubes! The name has no meaning.
"Forgalomba hozza" means, "places", "bring it to the market", "right to sale"...

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more: Rubik's Cube Politoys Trial
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In 1978 TRIAL was the only Hungarian company licensed for domestic trade operations.
See also this topic :
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very interesting information !!! thanks a lot for sharing ..... only share my sealed Pentangle with a heavy cube with raised strike and square stickers .. I´m happy very old :)

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this week I won one on ebay (Politechnika) one heavy old cube ... I´m happy

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This topic and Georges' enthusiasm lead me to seriously like these cubes and the story behind them. Since today I own one Hungarian Politechnika box. The reason I just say box is because the cube it contains is not like it is described in this topic. It has no raised strike on the edges, the edge pieces are hollow (and 'open'), and the stickers are slightly rounded.
Another disappointing fact about the cube is that the previous owner tried to solve it the worst way we can imagine: switching the stickers...
Because of this, the stickers are very ugly and the cube is unsolvable...
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So I didn't get the original first one, but there are two more on the way right now: one in a hungarian and one in a german Politoys box. I am not sure about the authenticity of the cubes inside yet.
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I did make an effort to translate the hungarian text on the side of the Politechnika box (since I don't onw an english one and wanted to know what it said, it's always fun to read old descriptions)

So here it is:
Bűvös kockaMagic cube

Térbeli logikai játékSpatial logic game

Politechnika ipari szövetkezet
Industrial co-polymer technology
But since Politechnika is the name of the company it probably is:
Politechnika
Industrial cooperative

Forgalomba hozza: triál
Places: Trial

A játék a gyermekek és felnőttek logikus gondolkodását, térlátását fejleszti.

A kockát alkotó 26 db színes kis kocka szétszedés nélkül, forgatással, gyakorlatilag végtelen számú, különböző helyzetbe hozható. 1 – 1 lapján mind a hat szín keveredhet nagyon sokféleképpen.
A játék célja 1 – 1 oldal ill. Mind a hat oldal egy színre hozása. Egyidejűleg több oldal rendezése igen nehéz feladat, csak a forgatás törvényszerűségeinek felismerésével oldható meg.
Egy oldalnak 15 – 20 perc alatti rendezése már igen figyelemre méltó eredmény és jó logikai készségre vall.

Figyelje meg, különböző irányú forgatásoknál az egyes elemek helyzetének változásait.
Az igy felismert törvényszerűségek vezethetik a megoldáshoz.

Magyar szabadalom: 170.062


A game for children and adults, for the development of logical thinking and spatial vision.
If the 26 small colored cubes are moved by rotation, not by disassembling, a virtually infinite number of different positions can be reached.All the stickers of all the six colors can be mixed in very many ways. The object of the game is to make every side one solid color. It is very difficult to solve more than one face, since only rotational moves are allowed to solve the puzzle. It is a remarkable achievement to solve one side in 15 to 20 minutes and proves of good logical skills.

Note how the different direction of rotation changes the position of each component.
Understanding the way the cube moves might lead to a solution

Hungarian Patent: 170.062

This is the best I could do with Google translate and thinking about what it would ACTUALLY say in English.

I'm going to try my best to get an actual authentic politechnika cube with its original packaging, and to try and find as many different ones as possible.

And Olivér, did you ever get the chance to ask János or his politechnika contact any of the other questions Georges asked?

And I have some questions of my own:

Earlier, Olivér said:
Olivér Nagy wrote:
Yes they where sold by TRIAL, and there where only 5000 of the first series (1977).

Does this mean there are only 500 pieces of the hungarian politechnika ones with the name triál on the box? So did politechnika only produce 5000 cubes?

Georges could fully describe the politechnika cubes. Are there any more specific and consistent aspects about the politoys ones? Beside them being 102 grams, which you stated earlier.

And what about color schemes? Do all of these politechnika and politoys ones have white opposite yellow or the so called japanese color scheme with white opposite blue and beside yellow?

Did the technika and toys ones come with a description or pamflet of sorts? What does it say?

Thanks in advance!

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Description from the Englis (politoys) box:

RUBIK'S CUBE
Rubik's cube is a unique puzzle, witch while being entertaining, also develops both children's and grown-ups' memory, logical thinking, as well as their ability to percieve things in three dimensions.
there are 9 coloured squares on each side of the cube. Mix up the colors by rotating the sides to that all colors appear on every side. Then try to rearrange the squares so that you have the same colour on one side of the cube.
You must watch how the squares change their position as you rotate the different sides. If you can establish a pattern that you are well on the way to solving the problem.
The cube offers more than 3 billion different combinations, so if you can get one side the same colour within 10-15 minutes then you are making good progress. The only way to work with several sides simultaneously is trough the pattern.
The ultimate aim of the puzzle is to have one colour on each side of the cube.
Patent: 170062

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And Olivér, did you ever get the chance to ask János or his politechnika contact any of the other questions Georges asked?

I have already wrote down what I received in answer, just read back!
But unfortunately I have only received a few answers. And probably never receive more.

Sjoerd wrote:
And I have some questions of my own:

Earlier, Olivér said:
Olivér Nagy wrote:
Yes they where sold by TRIAL, and there where only 5000 of the first series (1977).

Does this mean there are only 500 pieces of the hungarian politechnika ones with the name triál on the box? So did politechnika only produce 5000 cubes?

No, it means probably there are only 5000 from the cubes Georges described (full pieces, heavy cube, trimmed stickers, rise stickers on the edges...). But Probably Politechnika produced some more cubes in the early ages.

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Georges could fully describe the politechnika cubes. Are there any more specific and consistent aspects about the politoys ones? Beside them being 102 grams, which you stated earlier.

There where so many variations, in the past years. There is no one describe (except the box itself).

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And what about color schemes? Do all of these politechnika and politoys ones have white opposite yellow or the so called japanese color scheme with white opposite blue and beside yellow?

The 3x3x3 cubes in Hungary are made by hand (after casted the pieces). so there are always chance of mistake. Probably there are many kind of sticker variations out there. ;)

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Did the technika and toys ones come with a description or pamflet of sorts? What does it say?

Both came with the same paper inside. It is not a description, it was more like a "safety instruction", what countans:
Address of company,
What is it made from
Attributes of the plastic it was made from
How to clean it,
size of the box
recommend after age of 10
and some numbers I did not understand (maybe the number of the machine it is was casted by...)
If you want I can take a picture.

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Thanks Olivér, that clears up some stuff!

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Olivér Nagy wrote:
The cube offers more than 3 billion different combinations, so if you can get one side the same colour within 10-15 minutes then you are making good progress.
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Try changing that to "it's quite an achievement to the whole cube solved in 10-15 seconds, LOL!

And though I forget the exact number, it's massively larger than 3 billion. It seemes by reading the descriptions, that at the extremely early times in twistypuzzle history in which these cubes were made, people believed the cube could be solved, but had no proof or methods to solve it.

This was indeed a fascinating read. I had originally thought these cubes were only released in late 1979 - early 1980. At least that may have been the case within the US.

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And though I forget the exact number, it's massively larger than 3 billion.

43,252,003,274,489,856,000
it is 43 quintillion (I hope I'm right with this, because in Hungary we have other scale, and we say it is "43 trillio" or the full number in Hungarian is: Negyvenháromtrillió-kétszázötvenkétbilliárd-hárombillió-kétszázhetvennégymiliárd-négyszáznyolcvankilencmillió-nyolcszázötvenhatezer or with numbers 43 trillió - 252 billiárd - 3 billió - 274 miliárd - 489 millió - 856 ezer :wink: )

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In the past week I have recieved 4 blue boxed politechnika and politoys cubes. I will just point out the differences between packagings and cubes here.

Here is a picture of two of the sides of the boxes
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From left to right: Hungarian Politechnika packaging-Hungarian Politoys packaging-German Politoys packaging-Hungarian Politoys 'E. Rubik' kocka packaging.
As you can see, Rubik's signature becomes more prominent to the right. Also (on the side I forgot to take a picture of...) all Hungarian boxes say TRIÁL, whereas the German one doesn't.

And here I have a picture of the sides with text on them, in the same order. If you click on the picture, you may be able to read some.
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Here you can also see the Rubik signature appear. On the second one from the left, you can see it in the lower right corner. On the German one (second form the right) you can see the signature above 'Magic Cube', and more importantly, at the top it actually says RUBIK'S CUBE. This surprised me, because I thought the cube was only named Rubik's Cube when ITC took over the distribution.
And also on the box on the right, it says 'E Rubik Kocka', with the E Rubik as the signature, just like on the other sides of the box.

This next photo has all of the cubes out of their packagings.
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As you can see the politechnika boxed one has some problems with the stickers. I am pretty sure this is not the cube that originally came in this packaging, because of a comparison to Georges examples.
The second cube has a regular BOY color scheme, and it looks like the oldschool Rubik's Cube logo was on the white center, but faded over the years. The ones from germany and the 'E Rubik' Kocka are both in a 'japanese' color scheme (white opposite blue), and the Hungarian one also carries the Rubik logo.

This next pictures show the differences on the inside.
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As you can see, the two on the left have a squarish cut-out in the corner foots, whereas the ones on the right have circular cut-outs. The corner pieces with a circular cut-out also have caps that can come of fairly easily.

I have one more on the way, but it is the same box as the one on the right (just a little cleaner). I am pretty sure the politechnika one is fake, and the rest, I really don't know.

So did I place these in the correct timeline?

Sjoerd

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woops I didn't cut that last picture very well, here it is again:
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And I forgot to post this picture of the paper that came with the 'E Rubik Kocka':

Strangely, it says politechnika instead of politoys, the name that is on the box. Because of the bad picture:
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Politechnika
ipari szövetkezet
1124. Budapest, Koszta József u. 21/b
1723 cikksz. Bűvös kocka
ITJ.: 69-53-5
Anyaga: ütésálló polisztirol.
Jellemzői: hörelágyuló, kevésbé törékeny.
Kezelése: langyos, szappanos vizben mosható.
Doboz mérete: 60 X 60 X 65 mm
A játékot 10 éves kortól ajánljuk

Alkr. sz.: 22206-00

Translated (the bold part):
Material: shock-resistant polystyrene
Features: Thermoplastic, less fragile.
Treatment: warm, soapy water to wash (rinse?).
Box size: 60 X 60 X 65 mm
The game is recommended for ages 10 or older.

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