Crazy 4x4x4 cube

Daqing Bao · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 am **Location:** China

Crazy 4x4x4 cube 共有Ⅰ Ⅱ Ⅲ Ⅳ四款：

1、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅰ：

这款魔方我在07年10月改造出来，也在这论坛发表过。现在已经量产，过段时间就会发行销售了。

squabpuzzles · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:55 pm

Is this mass produced?

Daqing Bao · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 am **Location:** China

2、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅱ：

这款正在开发中，生产魔方的模具已经做出来了，这是试模的样品：

philliesrule3690 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:25 am

This is amazing, excellent work truly. I know you don't speak english, so maybe you'll understand this !!!!!!! <3 :shock:

Daqing Bao · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 am **Location:** China

3、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅲ：

开发中

Daqing Bao · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 am **Location:** China

4、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅳ：

开发中

Steryne · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:06 pm

WOW!!!

Cubicle · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:30 pm

Wow. The Circle 2x2 (unbandaged) and the Circle 4x4.

Are these manufactured/cast, or is that a custom core?

GuitarSD · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:30 pm

I dont know if this functions the same as a circle cube, but this guy seems to be as good as aleh at these. Sorry if this seems to be an ignorant post.

RyanZ · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:41 pm

Great job Daqing Bao 做的好！！

This was the first prototype ever made viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7918
How much will you be selling it? 多少钱？

Daqing Bao wrote:

Crazy 4x4x4 cube 共有Ⅰ Ⅱ Ⅲ Ⅳ四款：

1、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅰ：

这款魔方我在07年10月改造出来，也在这论坛发表过。现在已经量产，过段时间就会发行销售了。

This is what he wrote:

I have made four Crazy 4x4x4 cubes
Number 1
I designed this it in October on the year 2007 and was published in this forum. It is being mass produce now and will be sold soon.

Daqing Bao wrote:

2、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅱ：

这款正在开发中，生产魔方的模具已经做出来了，这是试模的样品：

This is what he wrote:

Number 2
This design is currently underway and the mold has been finished. This is only a prototype.

Daqing Bao wrote:

3、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅲ：

开发中

This is what he wrote:

Number 3
Designing

Daqing Bao wrote:

4、Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅳ：

开发中

This is what he wrote:

Number 4
Designing

MeMyselfAndPi · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:56 am

Those puzzles are just plain bizarre! :shock:

I'd love to have one!

EMarx · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm

First post, fourth picture. Top Right corner sticker says mf8. It is indeed mass produced, or will be soon.

elijah · **Joined:** Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:55 am **Location:** WA, USA

wow! Mass-produced! THis is really cool and I will be buying one!

MonkeyZ · **Joined:** Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:59 pm **Location:** NJ

Awesome mass-productiveness does anyone know where these will be available? Like who's the retailer or seller?

mmonede · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:47 am

Enjoy:

http://shop.mf8.com.cn/goods.php?id=4

sokoban · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:10 am

Great job!

MonkeyZ · **Joined:** Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:59 pm **Location:** NJ

Awesome so i can buy it directly from mf8!

wwwmwww · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:44 am

WOW!!! The 4×4×4+2×2×2 cube has been one of my most wanted puzzles since I first saw it back in October 2007. I am ecstatic that this is being mass produced. Thank You!!!

哇！！ 4 × 4 × 4 2 × 2 × 2立方，一直是我最想要难题之一，因为我第一次看到2007年10月回来。我欣喜若狂，这是正在大规模生产。谢谢你！

I hope google didn't butcher that too much.

And a couple questions... in English... for anyone. I'm sure google/translate would have issues with these considering the subject.

(1) Crazy 4×4×4 cube I is the first [s]Super[/s] Super Cube. I hope that strikes out the first Super. I'm using the notation I've seen used with the CubixPlayer2 program made by Per which simulates a Super Cube with all the possible smaller Super Cubes that it incases. For example a Super 7×7×7 that incases a Super 5×5×5 which in turn encases a Super 3×3×3 is called a Super Super 7×7×7. The single use of Super refers to Cubes colored like this.

Since this is a normal 4×4×4 that encases a normal 2×2×2, I'm struggling with what to call it. Is [s]Super[/s] Super 4×4×4 the right name? Should it be called the Normal Super 4×4×4? Does better nomenclature for these types of puzzles exist? I don't really like the double meaning of the word Super that I've seen used before but don't really want to reinvent the wheel if something better already exists.

(2) Its easy to see the Crazy 4×4×4 cube I is equivalent to a 2×2×2 inside a 4×4×4. What about II, III, and IV? Version IV looks to be a complete 2×2×2 inside a complete 4×4×4 plus some other cubies. And versions II and III don't have a complete external 4×4×4. Is there a similiar interpretation to these puzzles as with version I being one puzzle inside another? If so I can't see it.

(3) Can this progression be pushed any further?

If the circle can be pushed out to the red line it looks like it might be possible to put a 4×4×4 inside a 2×2×2. It looks like the 2×2×2 pieces might just fall off during an edge rotation as I'm not sure there is a way for them to maintain contact with the rest of the puzzle mid-rotation.

Carl

P.S. I see the strike out effect didn't work... is there a way to strike out text in these forums?

Jared · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:45 am

!!!!!

Another set of puzzles for my "Must Buy" list.

(This isn't a 4x4 + 2x2, quite, because the circles can't be rotated independently, I think.)

wwwmwww · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:51 am

Jared wrote:

(This isn't a 4x4 + 2x2, quite, because the circles can't be rotated independently, I think.)

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbjEuIE64E

Carl

Jared · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:54 am

Whoops, my bad.

...So these aren't proper circle cubes then. Bummer. Still want 'em though.

EMarx · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm

16.00$ shipping is the only option on MF8?

Come on...

wwwmwww · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:05 am

Jared wrote:

...So these aren't proper circle cubes then. Bummer. Still want 'em though.

I'm not wanting to get too far off topic but I thought most circle cubes didn't allow the circles to be rotated independently either. The only exception I think I'm aware of is the Circle Minx. And even there the independent rotation is referred to as "Unfortunate".

Carl

TomZ · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:18 am

Indeed, the circle part of a Circle cube isn't supposed to be able to rotate on its own as that would make the puzzle easier to solve.

Daqing Bao · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 am **Location:** China

感谢RyanZ的翻译，这个系列的魔方我是与另外一个人一起开发的，我只负责设计，我的合作人是负责生产销售。

Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅱ出现一种新变化属性的块（圆圈内月牙形状的那种），很难复原，目前我还没找出复原的方法。

Steryne · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:38 pm

AHHH! CRAZY!!!

juanan · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:41 pm

Good news, to have a new mass produced puzzle, :wink:

and good challenge

Steryne · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:56 pm

好运解决问题
Good luck solving it.
(for those who havn't translated his most recent one:
Thank RyanZ translation, this series of Rubik's Cube I was developed together with another one, I am only responsible for design, my partner is responsible for the production and sales.

Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅱ changes in properties of the emergence of a new block (the kind of circle crescent shape), it is difficult to recover, at present I have not find the recovery method.)

Sjoerd · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:53 pm

Yes! A new maas-produced puzzle that actually seems to be hard!

elijah · **Joined:** Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:55 am **Location:** WA, USA

Crazy 4x4x4 III is a proper circle 4x4x4, II, and IV strike me dumb though...

Ben · **Posted:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:47 pm

WOW. I'm speechless.

I really look forward to being able to own these incredible puzzles. I never thought that I would be able to own one of these.

These past few months have certainly been incredible in terms of all the new, mass-produced puzzles. The Holey Megaminx, 2x2x3, Gigaminx, and this just to name a few!

RoboticFresca · **Posted:** Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:01 pm

do want!

EMarx · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm

Did anybody else order the Crazy 4x4? I ordered yesterday, haven't recieved confirmation or anything.

How bout you guys?

Steryne · **Posted:** Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:21 pm

I will get one soon but would like to know how this works out. (170.000 kilograms for 24.50, lol)

wwwmwww · **Posted:** Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:29 pm

EMarx wrote:

Did anybody else order the Crazy 4x4? I ordered yesterday, haven't recieved confirmation or anything.

I ordered one yesterday too. My first order from mf8 so I don't really know what to expect. I did notice the site said "Quantity: 4" before and after I placed my order and it still says "Quantity: 4" today so I'm not sure what to make of that. I paid with PayPal so I have a receipt.

Carl

Steryne · **Posted:** Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:35 pm

I think you two might have been order number 5 and 6.

EMarx · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm

How ya figure that? ^

I ordered a white one before the black came up on the site, and typed in my order postscript "Please send a black one. I do not want white."

Think it'll work out?

wwwmwww · **Posted:** Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:22 pm

I just checked my PayPal receipt and I see it says "Invoice ID: 4" on it. Does that mean I was the forth to order one? I too ordered a white one as the black weren't up on the site at the time but I'm not particular. I'd be happy with either a black or a white one. If the economy ever turns around I might pick up both.

I see on mf8 the black one also says "Quantity: 4". And I just noticed the link to the white one (http://shop.mf8.com.cn/goods.php?id=4) ends with id=4. What's up with all these 4's?

Carl

P.S. Did I just find the true reason this is called the Crazy 4x4x4 cube?

Steryne · **Posted:** Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:47 pm

My previous post was a joke.

RyanZ · **Posted:** Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:48 am

Daqing Bao wrote:

感谢RyanZ的翻译，这个系列的魔方我是与另外一个人一起开发的，我只负责设计，我的合作人是负责生产销售。

Crazy 4x4x4 cube Ⅱ出现一种新变化属性的块（圆圈内月牙形状的那种），很难复原，目前我还没找出复原的方法。

不用客气，小意思罢了

你是不是住在北京？我年底要去哪，
This is what he worte:

Thank you RyanZ with the translation. This series of of cubes were made by me and another guy. I am in responsible for the design and my partner is responsible for the production and the sales.

Number 2 of my Crazy 4x4x4 Cube has something different from before ( the outer pieces of the circle) and it is very hard to solve. Until today, I have not found a way to solve it.

juanan · **Posted:** Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:05 am

when will be mass-produced ?

Sigurd · **Posted:** Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:30 am

I cant wait for the next to be produced! These are very nice puzzles! and great challenge to the average puzzler.
I have no idea how to solve on of these.

mu puzzles · **Joined:** Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:29 pm

This can be made with a 5x5x5?

Sigurd · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:06 am

I think you'll need a 6x6x6 (7x7x7), to make this. Or highly modify a 2x2x2 and a 4x4x4 cube by hand. And you gotta be Io or Aleh to be able to do stuff like that.

elijah · **Joined:** Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:55 am **Location:** WA, USA

I'm pretty sure you could make the first one with a 4x4 old rubik's brand.
just cut out the centers in a circle so they can move independently and then glue them to the center axis... the only problem is the 4x4 centers would most likely pop out!

Jared · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:49 pm

That wouldn't work because it wouldn't allow deep-cut turns. You'd have to modify the core as well.

katsmom · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:54 am

Wow! Daqing Bao Glad you made it to the forum. I'm also glad that cat's out of the bag. :lol:

This is indeed a great puzzle. The prototype I played with turns very nicely and the designer was lucky to get it back. It really did want to slip into my bag. (I think three of us are still waiting for our copies by the way :wink:

)

If it has been improved since I last got to play with it, I am sure it will be just fantastic!

I think this is one puzzle you will all have fun with, but be warned, it isn't exactly what you think it is. There is a bit of a "trick" to it. But I'll let someone else tell that....someone who knows the terminology-917?

Sigurd · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:22 am

ah Katsmom dont say that! No tricks please

I hope the puzzle is just what it looks like! every face is the same. and no inner bandaging.
or what?

EMarx · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm

Ahhh why won't you tell katsmom? Who else has the authority in this forum to speak on newly produced puzzles, when you live so close to the source?

Jared · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:41 pm

Doubleyou wrote:

ah Katsmom dont say that! No tricks please

I hope the puzzle is just what it looks like! every face is the same. and no inner bandaging.
or what?

Me too... how could it be different?

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