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Commercially available twisty puzzles no longer present the amount of challenge they used to present. What other challenging puzzles can I get my hands on? Is that astrolabacus thing supposed to offer a decent challenge? What about the billion barrel puzzle? Or the Hungarian rings? Or the Rubik's clock?

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Have you heard of the Isis adventure?
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Rubo d Cubik wrote:
Commercially available twisty puzzles no longer present the amount of challenge they used to present.


That's a subjective thing to say. Do you mean specifically for yourself? What about something like the 5x5x5 or golden cube etc?

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I've heard that the astrolabacus is a very hard puzzle. Hungarian rings and rubik's clock and both very easy. I don't know about the billion barrel.

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Actually yes, the billion barrell. I've never solved it. Rubo, that might be a good one to get your hands on.

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Your title says "non-twisty puzzle" I recommend THE RUNES. That took up 6 months of my life and it was a huge challenge. Most of the clues relate to History or the UK. Being an American there were times I wanted to pull my hair out!

You can purchase directly from Michael at : http://www.runespuzzle.com/
Or I think it can be bought online from other shops.

Dollar for dollar, it was well worth the money!

The Barrell is fun too, or maybe try the Orb.

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sausage wrote:
Rubo d Cubik wrote:
Commercially available twisty puzzles no longer present the amount of challenge they used to present.


That's a subjective thing to say. Do you mean specifically for yourself? What about something like the 5x5x5 or golden cube etc?


Yes, specifically for myself.

Solving parities on higher level Rubik's cubes can be difficult, but alas, I already know the algorithms that will solve the parities. I guess I could always attempt to find my own algorithms, but I'm not that much into big cubes. THe Golden Cube isn't currently available, so I can't say anything about that puzzle just yet.

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I found the Rotascope to be one of the harder puzzles I've solved. Good luck finding one though :(

You can try it on line here, if that will suffice, although don't scroll down to far or you will find Jaap's solution :)

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And where can I buy the Rubik's Clock, Astrolabacus, Hungarian Rings and Billion Barrel?

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Rubo d Cubik wrote:
And where can I buy the Rubik's Clock, Astrolabacus, Hungarian Rings and Billion Barrel?


Ebay for all of them.


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If you look on ebay for the billion barrell you might find it as nintendo barrel.

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Challenging non-twisty puzzle, huh?
If you've got about 10-30 hours to spare and a bunch of very smart friends to help, I still have this old web-puzzle thing I made. It's a thinking challenge, it's like Notpr0n or God Tower if you've played those, more hands-on and trivia though.
http://home.comcast.net/~smashdood/riddlers/fermi.html
You will probably need help to get through the whole thing, though. . . it gets epic hard very fast.


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Smashy wrote:
Challenging non-twisty puzzle, huh?
If you've got about 10-30 hours to spare and a bunch of very smart friends to help, I still have this old web-puzzle thing I made. It's a thinking challenge, it's like Notpr0n or God Tower if you've played those, more hands-on and trivia though.
http://home.comcast.net/~smashdood/riddlers/fermi.html
You will probably need help to get through the whole thing, though. . . it gets epic hard very fast.


I only looked at the first few but that doesn't look too hard (I'm probably wrong though haha)

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Dude, there are a lot of good puzzles out there. Try looking at some of the non-sequential movement puzzles.
There are a great many "take-it-apart" type puzzles, though unfortunately, once you know the solution there is absolutely no variation to the puzzle. At least with twisties the solution isn't exactly the same every time. There is one set that might provide some lasting entertainment. If you're really into building, you may want to try making a full set of Bill Cutler's six piece burr pieces. The 42 pieces allow for over 300 different solutions. There's a list of the pieces and possible solutions in the book "Puzzles old and New".


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Rubo d Cubik wrote:
Commercially available twisty puzzles no longer present the amount of challenge they used to present. What other challenging puzzles can I get my hands on? Is that astrolabacus thing supposed to offer a decent challenge? What about the billion barrel puzzle? Or the Hungarian rings? Or the Rubik's clock?

Astrolabacus = twisty puzzle
Billion Barrel = twisty puzzle
Hungarian Rings = twisty puzzle
Clock = twisty puzzle

As suggested, not pr0n is a superb game to play. I also recommend MOTAS (Mystery of Time and Space) which is a lot easier than not pr0n, but still challenging.

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Get the barrel and try to solve it without looking up a solution.
That should give you a challenge.



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Pembo wrote:
Astrolabacus = twisty puzzle
Billion Barrel = twisty puzzle
Hungarian Rings = twisty puzzle
Clock = twisty puzzle

--> Astrolabacus = Billion Barrel = Hungarian Rings = Clock

Here is one list of challenging non twisty puzzles.

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Hi :-)

I guess he meant actual physical puzzles. Not mathematical (theoretical puzzles). In that case i suggest stick to twisty puzzles. Once you solve a "non-twisty" puzzle that's actually all there is to the puzzle. Like the unlocking puzzles etc. Of course this can be said about twisty puzzles too. But less so (far less IMHO!!)

- Per

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Some would say that (purely) mathematical puzzles are the proper stuff because twisty puzzles are after all just toys. That's a quite ridiculous statement IMHO - and shows they haven't really tried any of those "toys".

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Puzzle Palace has quite a few interesting and unique puzzles. I have the Bronco, and the Sonneveld 9 Piece Board Burr, and they are both very interesting and unique.

The Hanayama cast puzzle series also present quite a challenge (from very easy to mind wrenching). You can get them from many different places.

Rob's Puzzle Page has descriptions of puzzles of many different types. Look for what interests you, and then search for similar puzzles.

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I don't know as you have one, but if you have a magic, then scramble it.
Becoming very good at actually SOLVING a SCRAMBLED magic. That is one thing that would be very difficult I think.


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I find it very easy, but fun!

Try sudoku or kakuro?

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I assure you, the Nintendo Barrel is challenging. It's one of the few puzzles in my collection I cannot solve.

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Nikoli Publishing makes some really high-quality, challenging Sudoku books, you should give them a shot if you're into that sort of thing.


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When it comes to the non-twisty type, nothing beats the SOMA CUBE.

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Well, my other half of my puzzle collection contains wooden burr puzzles.

They are quite challenging!

As it being commercially available? - There are many sites that sell them, but I would recommend going to Bill Cutler's and Mr. Puzzles' sites for quality puzzles.

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Here are my favorite non-twisty puzzles. Some have been mentioned above but I’m mentioning them again along with my comments on them.


First off is the Isis Adventure http://www.isisadventure.com/

The Isis Adventure, to me, is the most complete and rewarding puzzle experience that I’ve been involved with, and it’s just getting started. Let me explain what I mean by that.

For starters, you have the Isis puzzle which is a pricy, but very well made sphere with 3 movable rings and a plunger/button on top of it. When I first saw it, I thought that it couldn’t be very involving as it looked just so simple, so I didn’t really pay it any attention. A while later someone mentioned to me that there is a complex and hidden mechanism inside it with moving parts. This got me interested so I purchased one. I soon discovered that there is more involved here than just the puzzle itself. For starters, the instructions give you 10 clues to help you solve it, but these clues are encrypted (letter substitution) which you need to decrypt. Decrypting them will not tell you how to solve the Isis, they are just clues and you need to figure out how to apply them to the puzzle. Also, the cardboard outer box that the Isis comes in contains clues in the form of 8 diagrams containing Egyptian symbols. Each of these symbols can be substituted for a letter giving you words which form which became for me the most important clue for getting started with the Isis (this is a clue that most people who complain about the difficulty of figuring out the first step to solve the Isis don’t know about). It took me about a month to solve my Isis.

After solving an Isis you are given a key (early ones contained the key inside it, newer ones you have to order the key from Sonic Warp, the company who makes the Isis). These keys are used to open pyramids which are hidden around the world. These contain gold and silver coins worth £500 and £20 each. The first one to successfully open a pyramid gets the gold coin, others who follow will get silver. To locate and gain access to a pyramid you have to solve a riddle. These riddles contain clues to the specific location of the pyramid (usually in a store of some sort) and a single word password which you must get correct in order to use your key. If you don’t feel like traveling around the globe and there are no pyramids located near you then you can select a virtual pyramid which only contains a gold coin and the password submission is all done online. The prize for these is cut in half to £250 with the exception of a special one with a £4000 prize.

The Sharper Image (TSI) was selling the Isis puzzle in the US with slightly different packaging (a black display box showing the TSI logo instead of a wood grain box) and your choice of two different color schemes for the puzzle which were different then the colors of the original. Solving a TSI Isis gives you access to not only the pyramids of the standard Isis, but also a special TSI reward zone with different riddles and prizes. You can only claim one prize with each solved Isis though, so if you solve either the TSI riddle or a Sonic Warp one you will need to purchase another Isis if you want to try for more. Now that TSI is going away, Sonic Warp has taken over the TSI reward zone and has repackaged their remaining TIS Isis puzzles as the Eagle Isis and are selling them at a discount (you get another one of Sonic Warp’s puzzles with it for free). This is probably the best way to get into the Isis Adventure at this time. Be wary if you buy one on eBay because it is possible to solve an Isis and reset it incorrectly, thus preventing it from being solved again. Also, if you do buy a used one, ask the seller if it has been registered with Sonic Warp (required to use the pyramids/riddles/prizes) and if so, make sure they are going to be willing to transfer the registration over to you. Also make sure that they include all of the original packaging (especially the outer box as it contains that important clue). The instructions can be downloaded from Sonic Warp after you register your Isis so at least that you can get if the seller doesn’t have it anymore.

Sonic Warp issued very limited runs of 3 harder versions of the Isis, called the 1A, 1B, and 1C (the standard Isis puzzle is actually the Isis I). There are 13 1As, 5 or 6 1Bs, and 10 or 11 1Cs, all currently in the hands of collectors (I own a 1C). Not only was the 1As harder to solve but they were unique in that solving it didn’t give you a pyramid key but instead you were given a special riddle where the first to solve it won an HDTV (this was just finally done yesterday even though the “Puzz Challenge” has been going for over a year now). The 1Bs are like the 1As but are part of the standard pyramid quest and not the “Puzz Challenge” like the 1As. The 1Cs are even harder to solve with only 2 people solving it so far (I’m not one of them). I’m currently in negotiations with an owner of a 1A to purchase it for my collection.

The Isis II is set to be released sometime in the next few weeks (they are already taking pre-orders for it). Right off the bad there will be two versions, a standard one and a harder one only for those who solved the original Isis I. I’ve got a harder one on pre-order but will eventually buy one of each for my collection. The series is expected to run up to the Isis V, which is supposed to come out around 2012 but will probably be delayed. All that is known about the Isis V is that solving it will require keys gained from solving each of the first 4 puzzles. There will only be a single pyramid and prize for the Isis V, but it is promised to be large enough that it will be worth traveling for, if you can solve the riddle to locate it.


Another puzzle collection that I like a lot is a set of 7 wooden puzzles (only the first 6 are out so far) called Sacred Myths and Legends. http://www.fgagames.100megs21.com/mains ... php?id=113

What I like about these is that each of the puzzles is very unique in style, but are all connected in some way. Like the Isis, these puzzles also have clues and riddles (no prizes though). The instructions for each puzzle contains a clue to help you solve it, and solving it gives you a clue to how this puzzle relates to the next ones in the series and how you may be able to use something from this puzzle to aid in solving the next (sometimes it’s an actual piece, sometimes it’s more abstract). Hopefully the final puzzle in the series will be released this year.


As others have mentioned, the Hanayama puzzles are great. http://www.castpuzzle.net/

There are a variety of styles and difficulties and for the most part they are high quality puzzles at very affordable prices, making them a great collectable.


Finally I want to mention the Eternity II. http://www.eternityii.com/

This is a board game puzzle with 256 pieces and a $2 million prize for the first person to solve it. It’s one of those puzzles that is easy to start, but quickly becomes difficult to finish. I have fun with it with friends as a sort of group activity over a few beers.


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I've been guaranteed that I can reopen my ISIS. It hasn't happened yet. I'm frustrated, because after I opened it the first time, the little one screwed it back together. With the key still inside! August 7

How can I get that blasted thing reopen. As for Sacred Myths and Legends, After sorting them all out so far, I'm still no further with the passwords. Any luck there?

Final question, have you done the DaVinci Puzzle from the UK magazine, or the Runes? Your name looks familiar.

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try the alcatraz puzzle http://www.selected-products.co.uk/images/alcatraz.jpg thats the whole puzzle, and it is solvable. all you do is take the ball out!


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BEEEDY wrote:
try the alcatraz puzzle http://www.selected-products.co.uk/images/alcatraz.jpg thats the whole puzzle, and it is solvable. all you do is take the ball out!


I tried that puzzle and its dumb. :roll:



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Before you actually get a hard puzzle, Rubo d Cubik, you can try to make the pattern in your avatar on a 5x5. (if you haven't already)


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Q wrote:
BEEEDY wrote:
try the alcatraz puzzle http://www.selected-products.co.uk/images/alcatraz.jpg thats the whole puzzle, and it is solvable. all you do is take the ball out!


I tried that puzzle and its dumb. :roll:



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Doesn't the alcatraz puzzle have one of the bars just slide down and out?

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Noah wrote:
Doesn't the alcatraz puzzle have one of the bars just slide down and out?


This is how you do it!!!

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Rubo d Cubik wrote:
Commercially available twisty puzzles no longer present the amount of challenge they used to present. What other challenging puzzles can I get my hands on? Is that astrolabacus thing supposed to offer a decent challenge? What about the billion barrel puzzle? Or the Hungarian rings? Or the Rubik's clock?

Well, first off have you tried the Gelatinbrain applet site. There are plenty of puzzles there I can't solve yet. As for your short list... I've never heard about the Billion Barrel, but it looks very fun and challenging for me. So aside from that one, out of every [commercially available] puzzle I can think of and including mods or custom builds I've played with (and I've played with many), Astrolabacus is the only one I am not confident of being able to solve. And I have been able to solve every puzzle I've ever tried (physically) and theoretically just about every puzzle on GB site.

So I must say that the Astrolabacus is the thing to try. I first encountered it 5 years ago and still can't solve it. But they are expensive and rare.

Also, DO NOT discount Sudokus, there are well crafted ones that can be extremely challenging. I can solve just about any hard-difficulty or very-hard ones in about 12 minutes max, and typical newspaper Sudoku in under 2 minutes, but I once encountered one that took me a solid 3 hours.

It's probably a TP too, but how about the Cross Teaser? As-is it's a good challenge I thought (I have one), but it becomes ridiculous if you use a permanent marker or something to number it and make it as *super* as possible.

Also TBTTyler is right, the take-apart puzzles are really fun. The only downside is that once you solve it once, it's lost it's magic.

But do a simple 24-piece TP - the Little Chop on GB site (simple edge-turning cube), and then tell me that TPs no longer pose much challenge for you. Although after that there's still a simple face-turning icosa, that no one has solved... :)

Ya, at this point, the easiest way to get challenged is to do virtual stuff. Heck, how about the 4-D cube (3^4) or 5-D cube (3^5).

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Astrolabacus = twisty puzzle
Billion Barrel = twisty puzzle
Hungarian Rings = twisty puzzle
Clock = twisty puzzle
What is the generally accepted definition for 'Twisty Puzzle' then? Not to sound cruel, because I actually never thought about it, but I thought that it had mostly to do with the ablity to be *twisted* in the usual sense of the word, and at least somewhat symmetric, and hopefully made of plastic and has colorful stickers or tiles. For me to make up a stronger/looser definition, I would then have to define it as something that has a group-representation (in the math sense), but then pretty much every puzzle would fall into it. So really... what is a 'Twisty Puzzle'? The main TP page boils it down to "sequential movement puzzles" so is that the accepted meaning?

If so, then almost anything we can come up with here to be challenging, is going to fall back into the TP category... even Sudoku - depending on the definition of 'movement'.

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 Post subject: Re: Can someone recommend me a challenging non twisty puzzle?
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I think a "Twisty Puzzle" can be easily identified and defined as a puzzle that you twist a piece of the puzzle, while the rest of the puzzle remains unchanged.

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 Post subject: Re: Can someone recommend me a challenging non twisty puzzle?
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the easiest puzzle to obtain that will drive you crazy is the tetris cube. it is available at toys r us.


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 Post subject: Re: Can someone recommend me a challenging non twisty puzzle?
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The definition of 'twisty puzzle' is any puzzle consisting of multiple similar pieces whose positions can be permuted, where one 'scrambles' the puzzle by doing basically random moves until the puzzle is far from the goal state and then the goal is to get it back into the goal state.

In terms of very difficult puzzles, if you can already do most of the gelatinbrain applets then you might try the applets with deeper cuts, or for real life puzzles you could try a bandage cube. The unscrambled puzzle in the version with the central core is one of the hardest puzzles ever created, but unfortunately not currently available. I should bug George to list that one and spin it based on hardness.


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 Post subject: Re: Can someone recommend me a challenging non twisty puzzle?
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I know this is a bit of a bump, but I simply must recommend Bricks.

http://www.bricks-game.de

It's a series of Klotski-style puzzle games where you start with the first one, and once you reach a certain score you can download the second one, and so on. The first couple games are not so challenging but starting at Bricks III they get quite tough!

Just be sure to get the Windows version of the program, and not the DOS one.


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