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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:14 pm 
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a few months back i showed everyone my transformation with a rainbow cube. i made it into a dino cube. it was 6 colors back then. i have since made it into one of the worlds most sought after puzzle. a dino cube with dino stickers. on top of that i have had a box made for it.

i had this puzzle in this form since last month but havent posted it. a few of you say it at Nationals. thanks to Mike Grimsley for the box it works well.

here are the pictures.

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_EEZVNFJ8


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:15 pm 
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one more picture of it in mid twist.

also this will be on ebay later this week. i will post it on Tuesday running for 7 days.


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It looks cute with the colours inside :)

I am no expert, but could you make one of these from a Skewb somehow?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:30 pm 
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Also, where did you get the stickers, i know that no one in their right mind would take them off of a real dino. Are they custom made? :?


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Probably not, at least not without some serious modification to the pieces. It's been years since I sold my Dino and I never dared to take it apart, bit I'm guessing that the Dino has 8 actual spindle arms on it while the Skewb only has 4. I'm sure one of our many mod gods out there, especially our resident Skewb specialist, Mr. Fisher, can pull it off, but I don't see how it would work. Of course, that's never stopped him before. :P It would be far easier to pull off using a Rainbow Cube, though, as they use identical mechnisms (I think). L8r.


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Tim Browne wrote:
Probably not, at least not without some serious modification to the pieces. It's been years since I sold my Dino and I never dared to take it apart, bit I'm guessing that the Dino has 8 actual spindle arms on it while the Skewb only has 4. I'm sure one of our many mod gods out there, especially our resident Skewb specialist, Mr. Fisher, can pull it off, but I don't see how it would work. Of course, that's never stopped him before. :P It would be far easier to pull off using a Rainbow Cube, though, as they use identical mechnisms (I think). L8r.


If you look at the last pic Adam posted - in mid twist, you can see the Rainbow Cube inside of it. I'm sure Adam also custom made his stickers as he does a lot of his puzzles. (very high quality I may add)

But nonetheless, I'm sure this one will be highly sought after as well!

Great Job Adam... damn, I wish I had gave you one of my cubes months ago to mod for me :P :P lol

Well I guess I may just have to try to win it like everyone else....

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i am fortunate that at work we have a great marketing department. they have a decal plotter that also prints. i took the pictures from here.

http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=606

I resized them to the specs of the rainbow to dino mod. i had to cut them out by hand but that was ok with me. the box was made from box making master Skeneegee (Mike Grimsley) i feel with everything together it is as decent as a real Dino puzzle. it looks better with the dino stickers then it did with the 6 color stickers.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:47 am 
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What pictures are on what side? On the link you provided it is not very easy to find it out...

Are you sertain that you use the original scheme?
Or do you played it by ear to have it look good?


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WOW! Brilliant work Adam!!! :D
For a moment I thought it was a real dino cube! (until I read your description)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:48 am 
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Harra you are correct it is not easy to find it out. but there is a way. the pictures dont give you the exact layout but it does give you clues to find out. picture 1 gives you PINK, ORANGE and BLUE. so those 3 are given.

the picture with the box shows only PINK and BLUE, meaning that the orange is on the left.

the last picture with all 3 dinos. you get 3 more colors. i am lucky that they gave me the BLUE because with the other info i have i can find out the last 3 sides. the BLUE is on the front, meaning that the PINK is on the bottom and the ORANGE is on the left. this now gives me the 4th and 5th sides, BRIGHT PINK and YELLOW. this only leaves WHITE for the last side.

see it was a puzzle just to figure out what the color orientation was. then again i could of asked someone with a dino, but that wouldnt have been as much fun.

great observation though.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:55 am 
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OH WOW!. i am now eating my words. i stickered my puzzle wrong. AHHHHH

looks like i will redo the stickering to be more correct to the pictures on the database. how did i miss this. great catch HARRA.

edit: looks like i just have to redo ORANGE and YELLOW


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Very Nice

The box looks like an exact match. Well done. This is the first time I have seen a dino made so well as an original.

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Adam Zamora wrote:
OH WOW!. i am now eating my words. i stickered my puzzle wrong. AHHHHH

looks like i will redo the stickering to be more correct to the pictures on the database. how did i miss this. great catch HARRA.

edit: looks like i just have to redo ORANGE and YELLOW


Eehh, well, I asked you since I thought the pictures displayed all the sides...

On the picture with the different dinos, I didn't noticed that the side was the blue one, since I only tried to see the colour and not the dinosaur...

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Correct me if I am wrong, but you dont have to resticker the cube have you?
I mean, isn't it just possible to correct the wrong you spotted by moving the "cubies" around?
This since you have to change place of two opposite colours and nothing else!

Another thought about this...
Due to the "interesting" (lack of orientation) properties of the cubies of a rainbow cube, it is not possible to solve this cube to a different color scheme than assembled to, right?


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Harra you are right again. i know i stickered it correct. i swapped the pieces by solving it. it looks like there are a few ways to solve this puzzle.


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Jaap's Page wrote:
The Dino Cube actually has two solutions, which are mirror images of each other.


Well, that kind of ends that discussion, doesn't it? :D

But one thing:
Does this means that when solving the dino, you can solve one side, and then without considering the order of the pieces, solve it as normal and then end up in either of the solutions?
That would give that solving a side is equal to solving a "layer" (unless you try to reach specificly one of the solutions), right?


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i would like to get Jaap's opinion on this he seems to be able to figure all of this stuff out. i guess the question is. how many solutions are there for a 6 colors (pictures) Dino cube.

my simple guess. 6 sides each side has 4 ways so 24 solutions.


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Adam Zamora wrote:
my simple guess. 6 sides each side has 4 ways so 24 solutions.


I don't think so, if you think about it you can't swap two adjacent pieces maintaining correct colours.
This leaves that numbering the pieces of one side like 1, 2, 3, 4 you can only swap the uneven or the even numbers, and it doesn't make any difference what you swap since you will end up with only two orders anyway (1234 or 1432 that is the same as 3214).
Building upwards from a completed side, you can only get one solution, so, it has simply two solutions.

This seems to be a very "non scientific" way to describe it...
So, here are the words that Jaap use on his page:

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The Dino Cube is a cube shaped puzzle, and like the Skewb, it has eight axes of rotation centred around the corners. Its cutting planes go diagonally through the square faces, cutting off triangular pyramidal corners. There are twelve moving pieces, one on each edge of the cube. It is called a dino cube because it originally had pictures of dinosaurs on the sides. Versions with 6 colours (pictured above) were also made, as well as with only 4 or 2 colours.

/.../

There are 12 moving pieces, which seemingly have 2 possible orientations giving at most 12!ยท212 positions. This limit is not reached because

* The pieces cannot actually be flipped (212)
* The pieces must have an even permutation (2)
* On the Dino Cube, Brain Twist, and Stella, the orientation of the puzzle is immaterial (12)

This leaves 11!/2 = 19,958,400 positions on the Dino Cube, Brain Twist, and Stella, and 12!/2 = 239,500,800 positions on the Rainbow Cube and standard Jackpot.

/.../

The Dino Cube actually has two solutions, which are mirror images of each other.


What I tried to describe was the part I have made bold in the quote...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:11 pm 
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here it is a bit early but oh well

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

for some reason the embedded video didnt work does anyone know about that and can help me out?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:32 am 
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Very nice Adam.

I have to say that video works perfectly for me. Maybe you have fixed it by this time.

Good luck in the auction (Sute you wont need it, cause it will go super high)

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