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 Post subject: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:35 pm 
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Last year DDR made the Super Pyraminx, this was before I got into CAD, and in that thread I call the puzzle bandaged, here I present what I think is a fully unbandaged version! It is fudged though, I'm not sure if that affects the definition but yeah.

Size comparison, it is the same size as a mass produced pyraminx:
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This puzzle is very far from perfect. Not often but SOMETIMES the pentagons rotate in place. I am missing a piece so this causes more catching, and part of the core is broken, so even more catching.

Video coming in the next few days :)


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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:40 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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Wow, that looks like it's going to be great Jack! :)

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:12 pm 
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I'm still processing this...
EDIT: Finished processing, now my response:
That's really incredible! If I'm not mistaken, isn't this Timur's Skyglobe in tetrahedral form?
Looks like the apprentice is overtaking the teacher... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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Just the idea of having something new pyraminx wise.. great! Hopefully you are able to solve the issues :)

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:31 am 
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garathnor wrote:
Brain destroyer :D
Hope health insurance covers that!

martywolfman wrote:
Wow, that looks like it's going to be great Jack! :)
Thanks!

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Just the idea of having something new pyraminx wise.. great! Hopefully you are able to solve the issues :)
The issues arise due to small pieces, a missing piece and a slightly broken core. Plus, if you grab your nearest pyraminx, you'll probably notice that unless assisted by the ball bearings, the edges really wobble in place, I'm not sure how I can stop this :(

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I'm still processing this...
EDIT: Finished processing, now my response:
That's really incredible! If I'm not mistaken, isn't this Timur's Skyglobe in tetrahedral form?
Looks like the apprentice is overtaking the teacher... :lol:
Haha! I'm not overtaking you.. Yet! ;) :lol: Really appreciate that comment, and all others! Thanks everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:45 am 
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This is very interesting. Congratulations with this wonderful discovery/design. I love fudged puzzles!

I noticed the twelve pentagon-shaped pieces. You fudged hem into pentagonal symmetry, correct? And how are they geometrically distributed? It looks like they are positioned at the corners of a truncated tetrahedron. Am I right? I measured the angles of a truncated tetrahedron to be (67.1146, 146.443, 146.443) degrees. That is only a few degrees off from (72, 144, 144), which is apparently fudgable, as you have clearly demonstrated.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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benpuzzles wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, isn't this Timur's Skyglobe in tetrahedral form?
Seems very much like this! Except for the tiny triange that never moves out of the face center. In the Skyglobe, this element is also present, but it is hidden behind other pieces.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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Video demo can be seen here, I'm not sure why the video is jumpy, it wasn't like that before rendering.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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JackRTully wrote:
Video demo can be seen here, I'm not sure why the video is jumpy, it wasn't like that before rendering.

It says the video is private.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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benpuzzles wrote:
JackRTully wrote:
Video demo can be seen here, I'm not sure why the video is jumpy, it wasn't like that before rendering.

It says the video is private.
Should be fixed now

Oskar wrote:
This is very interesting. Congratulations with this wonderful discovery/design. I love fudged puzzles!

I noticed the twelve pentagon-shaped pieces. You fudged hem into pentagonal symmetry, correct? And how are they geometrically distributed? It looks like they are positioned at the corners of a truncated tetrahedron. Am I right? I measured the angles of a truncated tetrahedron to be (67.1146, 146.443, 146.443) degrees. That is only a few degrees off from (72, 144, 144), which is apparently fudgable, as you have clearly demonstrated.

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I have no idea Oskar, I've designed a couple fudged puzzles (This is the first I've printed and assembled) and I never decide on whether or not to fudge the puzzle based on any geometric rules or guidelines; I just do whatever fudging is necessary and if it changes the pieces shape drastically then I don't go through with it. I feel like I'm not answering your post in a sufficient way, but its all I can offer :)

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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Oskar wrote:
It looks like they are positioned at the corners of a truncated tetrahedron. Am I right?

I don't see the correlation. To me it looks like they correspond to the pentagonal faces of a truncated triakis tetrahedron. Because these pentagons aren't regular, it makes sense why they were fudged.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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benpuzzles wrote:
I don't see the correlation.
The pentagonal faces of a truncated triakis tetrahedron corresponds to the vertices (corners) of a truncated tetrahedron. So you have answered my question positively.

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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Oskar wrote:
The pentagonal faces of a truncated triakis tetrahedron corresponds to the vertices (corners) of a truncated tetrahedron.

Are you sure? It doesn't look like the geometry is the same to me.
EDIT: I see it now, please excuse my ignorance. :(

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 Post subject: Re: WIP: Super Pyraminx Plus
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I'm sure it is Ben, the truncated tetrahedron is the dual of the triakis tetrahedron.

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