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 Post subject: Mass 3D-printing
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:40 am 
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Hi Puzzle Builders and Modders,

I just learned that my company TNO built a 3D printer for mass-production. I have already placed a request to do a run of assembled new twisty puzzles.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:46 am 
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If i understand that right the price won't change if I order 1000 instead of 10 samples. Is that right?


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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Wow, that's amazing !! I've been waiting for this to come before I join the industry and now it's finally there !! That would be the best option to make a company: no moulding process :D
How much exactly does this cost ? I might make my own company in the future so I'd really like to know :)

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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So it is the same material (nylon) but the process is way faster and less expensive (for big batch)?

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Drake wrote:
So it is the same material (nylon) but the process is way faster and less expensive (for big batch)?


Not sure it's nylon, but that would be pretty famn amazing =)

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Yeah but one thing is sure, is that if the material is "smoother"would be a "good" thing :roll: , :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Drake wrote:
So it is the same material (nylon) but the process is way faster and less expensive (for big batch)?
Based on their video it looks like the FDM printing process. They're probably using ABS or some other thermoplastic.

Shapeways uses SLS for their nylon (WSF) material which is completely different.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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bmenrigh wrote:
Drake wrote:
So it is the same material (nylon) but the process is way faster and less expensive (for big batch)?
Based on their video it looks like the FDM printing process. They're probably using ABS or some other thermoplastic.


:shock: , ABS :o , wow that would be cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Drake: ABS is worse than SLS, why would this be good ? :P

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Worst it depends :oops: ...

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Drake wrote:
Worst it depends :oops: ...

I'm very glad nylon has the properties that it does: flexible, temperature resistant, doesn't blush when bent, etc.

All other things being equal, if Shapeways could somehow offer ABS as an alternative to nylon in their SLS process I'd go for the nylon.

We're still many years away from a 3D printer being able to produce parts that look like they have been injection molded.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Very interesting, Oskar. Does this mean Shapeways will lose some/all of your business? Will TNO be competing with Shapeways? I guess it will focus more on selling to other businesses rather than to consumers, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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KelvinS wrote:
Does this mean Shapeways will lose some/all of your business? Will TNO be competing with Shapeways?
No and no.

TNO is a research organization. They are not competing with Shapeways. Even though they have an SLS machine, they do not accept commercial orders. However, they do collaborative projects with persons and companies focusing on innovation, e.g. introducing 3D-printing into a new sector or industry. For instance, they helped me learning the puzzle possibilities of nylon SLS technology in the pre-Shapeways era.

Shapeways is a service buro, commercially offering 3D-printing services. Shapeways could collaborate with TNO to introduce the new technology to her customers.This could start as a collaborative project, then become outsourced production and finally buying a machine. Most likely, Shapeways would not buy the machine from TNO directly, but from a manufacturer that would build machines based on TNO technology.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass 3D-printing
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Oskar, may I ask you what your job is in TNO ?

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