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bmenrigh
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Post subject: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:05 pm |
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A few months ago when I did the ABS puzzle dyeing thread I was asked about how to remove stickers to prep a puzzle for dyeing: Mindstormscreator wrote: Now what you have to figure out is a quick process to remove all of the excess goo from removed stickers of some puzzles, like a Cube4You Gigaminx (mine is covered in it). My hypothesis was that a hydrocarbon like mineral spirits would do the trick but I decided to setup a little science experiment to determine what, if any substances could be used to remove stickers and goo with minimal manual labor. I took a VIDEO of the process. I started out with a very messy Gigaminx: Attachment:
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Setup the controls and solvents: Attachment:
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And got great results from the mineral spirits: Attachment:
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So now if the only thing holding you back from dyeing your puzzles is removing the stickers, this should help!
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Letti
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:52 pm |
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Thanks! This will really help; I've been considering getting spiral stickers for my C4Y tera.
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Olivér Nagy
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:12 am |
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bmenrigh
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:43 am |
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DLitwin
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:46 am |
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Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:32 pm Location: Bay Area, CA
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I am curious if anyone has any information on how these solvents might affect the plastic over time. People used to think vaseline was a great lubricant but it has delayed damaging effects. Here are two other threads on the matter: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6104viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7214After using Goo Gone and alcohol, I'll note that alcohol seems just as effective but requires no gloves or cleanup afterwards. As it evaporates pretty much immediately I don't see any lasting effects. Packing tape has some of the same advantages. Dave
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bmenrigh
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:24 pm |
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Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:54 pm Location: San Jose, California
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DLitwin wrote: I am curious if anyone has any information on how these solvents might affect the plastic over time. People used to think vaseline was a great lubricant but it has delayed damaging effects. Here are two other threads on the matter: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6104viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7214After using Goo Gone and alcohol, I'll note that alcohol seems just as effective but requires no gloves or cleanup afterwards. As it evaporates pretty much immediately I don't see any lasting effects. Packing tape has some of the same advantages. Dave Hey Dave, thanks for those links, I wasn't aware of the previous discussion on the subject. I looked up the interaction of ABS with petroleum jelly and it is supposed to be fine below 70F. I'm not sure (chemically) what happens at higher temperatures but obviously with long-term use it breaks down the plastic. I'm nearly certain that soaking the ABS pieces in a light hydrocarbon overnight has no long-term effect on the plastic. The solvent evaporates faster than alcohol and doesn't leave a residue. I can't discount the possibility that if you soaked the pieces in the solvent for months (similar to what you'd be doing with a petroleum jelly lube) there could be some damage. Even though the primary ingredient in Goo Gone is a light hydrocarbon, the other ingredients make it viscous and messy. If you use Goo Gone you do have to spend time doing soap+water cleanup. With mineral spirits you don't.
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Robert111
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:40 pm |
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I have been using White Spirit and occasionally Methylated Spirit to remove sticker residue for ages now. I generally use White spirit as Meths does tend to leave a purple tint (that can be wiped away) but adds to sticker preparation time. However with some adhesives Meths does seem to work quicker.
I have never had a problem with White spirit or Methylated spirit even with cheap plastic puzzles.
Hope this helps Robert
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bmenrigh
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:49 pm |
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Robert111 wrote: I have been using White Spirit and occasionally Methylated Spirit to remove sticker residue for ages now. I generally use White spirit as Meths does tend to leave a purple tint (that can be wiped away) but adds to sticker preparation time. However with some adhesives Meths does seem to work quicker. Interesting, Methylated Spirit is the same thing as denatured alcohol (mine is clear, not purple and about 50% methanol, 50% ethanol with some Methyl isobutyl ketone to make it taste too terrible to drink). Denatured alcohol caused the stickers to come apart in layers but even overnight didn't remove the stickers or dissolve the goo on the surface of the pieces. Are you soaking the stickers off or are you manually rubbing them off? My goal was 100% removal without any manual rubbing off.
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Ender Delphiki
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:52 pm |
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This is the kind of thing that wins a science fair. I love it and my Gigaminx just may be salvageable afterall.
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Robert111
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Post subject: Re: The Science of Sticker Removal Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:10 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 30, 2010 5:29 pm Location: England
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bmenrigh wrote: Interesting, Methylated Spirit is the same thing as denatured alcohol (mine is clear, not purple and about 50% methanol, 50% ethanol with some Methyl isobutyl ketone to make it taste too terrible to drink). Denatured alcohol caused the stickers to come apart in layers but even overnight didn't remove the stickers or dissolve the goo on the surface of the pieces.
Are you soaking the stickers off or are you manually rubbing them off? My goal was 100% removal without any manual rubbing off. I am not sure why it is purple, maybe to prevent a child drinking it? What I tend to do is peel smaller puzzles stickers (as it doesn't take too long) then soak it in the spirits, and then do what you do and wipe off any little remains with a paper towel. On the bigger puzzles V Cube 5, 6 and 7 I left it in a tub similar to what you did, and simply left it over night on top of my washing machine and that caused the majority of the stickers and residue to come off, all that remained was easily removed. Robert
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