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 Post subject: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:51 am 
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what do i need to make puzzles? i have a dremel, and das moddeling material. and normal tools. Is this all i need?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:55 am 
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Many people would recommend plastic sheeting as well.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:57 am 
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where can i get plastic sheeting? and how do i use it?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:00 am 
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I believe you can buy some sheeting from RapidOnline.co.uk. You use it by cutting it and capping the parts with it.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:02 am 
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can i just go without it? or get it in local store?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:03 am 
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No one on the forum is here to tell you what you can and can't do. Buying plastic sheeting is meerly advice, you don't have to buy it if you do not wish to.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:46 am 
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well i cant order it online.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
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any stores in the usa i can buy from?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:59 am 
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It really depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it. There are many different methods and techniques to making puzzles. As it is, puzzle making supplies are already expensive, and just going out and buying random materials we suggest won't make it easier on your checkbook.

Do you want to cast puzzles? Hand mod it? Design and 3-D print it?

If you can be more specific with what you want to do, we can give you better suggestions.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:00 am 
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i would probably like to hand mod, and cast. 3d printing would cost too much. tutorials on puzzle making,(casting and modding) are aprreciated too.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:31 am 
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shaun413 wrote:
what do i need to make puzzles? i have a dremel, and das moddeling material. and normal tools. Is this all i need?

http://tonyfisherpuzzles.net/F%20Puzzle ... rials.html

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:34 am 
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You can get the plastic sheeting on amazon.com hear http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_ ... stic+sheet.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:30 pm 
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where can i get oomoo 30, milliput, and alumlite from local retailers in the usa?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:03 pm 
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I would recommend moldmax rather than oomoo.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:39 pm 
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milliput can be bought at wal-mart. it is labeled as loctite epoxy putty.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:36 pm 
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can i use any type of epoxy putty? can i get it a lowes? i want the cheapest, but usable solution.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:47 pm 
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what about oatey epoxy putty?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:01 pm 
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You can get apoxie sculpt here http://www.avesstudio.com/index.php?pag ... 1&Itemid=1 that should work for you.


I hope this is helpful for you.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
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I do not wish to order online. i need to buy in a local store.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
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shaun413 wrote:
can i use any type of epoxy putty? can i get it a lowes? i want the cheapest, but usable solution.

I don't know about any type epoxy putty... you can probably get some at lowes. the two kinds I have had are either a white tube with a grey center, or a blue tube with a white center.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:47 pm 
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what are they called?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:00 pm 
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http://www.oatey.com/apps/catalog/insta ... _31270.jpg
can i use this?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:04 pm 
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you can probably use "oatey." the ones I have used are "Loctite repair putty" and "water weld"

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:08 pm 
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does anyone have skype and is willing to assist me with this?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
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http://www.loctiteproducts.com/img/prod ... _putty.png
just got some of this. hope it works well. not sure what to do with it really.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:12 pm 
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Alrighty.

I'll go over everything I used to make this puzzle.

For cutting: Jeweler's handsaw. It doesn't have to be one of these, but you want one with a sharp, thin blade. In addition, you want a blade that's tall (i.e., NOT this), unlike a hacksaw. Can be found at hardware stores and hobby stores.

For more cutting: Dremel with sander attachment. This is just used to roughly level off the pieces after cutting. Can be found at hardware stores and whatnot.

For leveling the cut parts: Assemble the puzzle, tighten the screws, and then wet sand each side with 100 then 200 grit waterproof sandpaper. Can be found at hardware stores.

For capping the holes: Plastic sheet. I don't remember the exact thickness I use, but you want to look for plastic that's thin enough to not add a bunch to what you so carefully sanded, but thick enough to hold up enough and not bend. This is can be found at most hobby stores. By hobby store, I mean something like hobby lobby. Just search for "hobby" near you in google maps. The one I go to is called North East Wisconsin Hobby Shop.

For gluing the sheet: Super glue. Self-explanatory.

For smoothing the edges of the sheet: Dremel to cut off any severe overhangs, then start with 200 grit sandpaper to level it off, then gradually go up to a very high grit (again, wet sanding).

For stickering: Vinyl sheets from cubesmith.com, handcut.

Um...I think that's it. Hope it helps. :)


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:07 am 
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Ok, thank you for the help! But can i just use the putty instead of plastic sheeting. and are you referring to a coping saw? and will the loctite putty work?


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:44 am 
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You can use the putty instead of plastic sheeting, but I'm a fan of plastic sheeting more. I find it easier to get flat surfaces with it. However, there are sometimes where you may need the putty (i.e., making puzzles where you don't want flat surfaces, like barrels [but you can also use thin plastic sheeting for this]) so it would be useful for that too.

After a google image search, a coping saw is exactly what you don't want. I recommend a blade that is tall, like I said before. This forces the saw to cut straight, so that minimal sanding and dremeling is necessary later. With a coping saw, the thin blade would allow the saw to turn as you are cutting, resulting in an uneven cut.

I have never worked with that specific type of putty, but if it truly is milliput in a different type of packaging, then yes, it will work. Other members on the forum have made fantastic puzzles using milliput (especially those in Europe). Another option you might be able to find in a hobby store is Apoxie Sculpt. This is more common in America and is used by many builders that use putty.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:15 am 
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shaun413, there are no rules when making puzzles. Why not just give it a go and see what works for you? It's far more fun that way than simply following a list of instructions.
Not wishing to repeat old comments (but doing so anyway). When I started in the early eighties there was zero information available, no internet and figuring out everything for my self was immensely enjoyable.

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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:42 pm 
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Amen to that. What I've stated is simply what I've determined works best for me. Many highly prefer putty over sheeting, and some don't dremel, use dry sandpaper, etc. It's really best to try many things and determine what works best for you.


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 Post subject: Re: puzzle making supplies
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:54 pm 
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One of the great things about this forum is the friendly group of people on it. But please be considerate of their time as well. It is easy, when in contact with people who know how to do something, to just ask them. And this is not always wrong.

But proper courtesy includes doing a bit of work yourself to see if the question has already been answered. This forum has a wealth of information and answered questions just waiting to be read. It has a search function that doesn't always give you what you might hope to find, but does work.

The most valuable two things you can do if you want to build puzzles are:

1.) Read the Puzzle Building forum. Not just the first page. Read it all. It is a lot but if you want to learn, amazing information is there and it didn't just start one month or one year ago.

2.) Give it a try. Practice. Experiment. Don't just learn from those who have done this before, teach us something. Look at what Drewseph did with casting techniques: He learned what others had done but then in short order completely changed how people cast puzzles and radically accelerated puzzle production.

For me puzzle building is interesting, but trying out new techniques and learning new methods is the real fun.

Good luck!

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