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 Post subject: Fridrich F2L
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:32 am 
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Hey i'm a beggining speed cuber whos trying to learn Fridrich method, but i'm stuck on F2L. :x None of the websites have algorithims that match the problems i run into. If anyone knows a good website or can explain this to me please do. P.S are they're any cubers from minnesota out there?


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Check out dans site, then click on 3x3, then CFOP. Then first two layers. That has some good algs, where I learnt and am still learning from.

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joey wrote:
Check out dans site, then click on 3x3, then CFOP. Then first two layers. That has some good algs, where I learnt and am still learning from.




Unfourtunitly i tried that site, but i'll try again.

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If you are doing the cross, make sure its on the bottom. And the pictures you see on dans website, the colours don't need to be the same as your cube, just as long as they are relative.

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Work them out your self?

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I tried his site again, but no matter what i do the algos dont work. I set up the cube just liek he shows and then when i preform the algos he gives, the cube gets more mixed up then b4 and the corner and edge are still seperated.

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Make sure you're familiar with his notation (it's the standard one). Also, as Pembo said, it's a great idea to at least start by solving it intuitively. Check out Doug's intuitive F2L page.
http://dougreed.no-ip.org/~doug/f2l/f2l.htm


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Even if you learn a few, and then go on to work the rest out, that is very helpful.

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Pembo was right. I started doing them intuitivily and i'm really starting to get it. I think i'll be able to do it fast by the end of the week if i put work into it. I think it should be possible to do them mostly intuitivly

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Once you have worked out a really fast was of doing it case, write it down, and tr to commit it memory, that will speed you up.

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i got different algo's from speedcubing.com. they're working better for me. I resolved to learn 5 a day. I still use dan's set up moves though.

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5...how is it going learning that many?

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You should learn the different groups. For example if the corner is at U or at D facing r.
Working through like that helps. 5 a day seems like alot, because you could forgot them as you go along.

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oh com on learn 5 a day? I never learned a single one, it's a waste of time, just look at one or more and you'll get the idea how they work. For instance solving a CE pair often ends with: RU'R' or RUR'. Realy IMHO I think if you are actualy learning F2L in the mean of learning algorithms you are wasting time, just find out how the system works is a much faster and better way cause you can find out new algs yourself...

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Erik is right...
Learning OLLs/PLLs is sort of a different matter though....

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Pembo is right on that one :)
Although, with OLL's especialy you find some are kind of family so, with mirroring/inverting you know actualy more OLL cases than you expect ;)

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Yes, OLLs you can work SOME out by yourself (Take out a CE pair and put it back another way) but PLLs, I recommend just learning them.

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Yeah, you might be able to figure out some of the PLLs (like the + perm) but just learning them is good. Often there is no way you can realy understand what is happening...

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Erik wrote:
Yeah, you might be able to figure out some of the PLLs (like the + perm) but just learning them is good. Often there is no way you can realy understand what is happening...

But you don't really need to knows going on! I find that with some, after a while you you kind of get to understand them!

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I'm still trying to learn them my self. i have a method down. It takes me over a minute still! I cant see how to get faster at it either.

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gamemeister27 wrote:
I'm still trying to learn them my self. i have a method down. It takes me over a minute still! I cant see how to get faster at it either.
Are you using finger tricks?

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I'm trying but they're hard to incorperate. Either way that would move it to fast for me to see where the net pair is. It takes me over a minute the fridrich way and 30 seconds the begginer way. Is there any other, faster, way? This isn't working for me. i've been practicing for about 2 weeks and i've been at this point for about half of that time. Any tips at all?

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I was averaging just over 50 with a beginner method and switched to Fridrich. Initially, I was around 3 minutes.. within a couple days I was around 1:30 and a couple weeks later I'm almost back where i was with beginner. It's all about practice. I took an average of 100, which was a lot of fun because I'd hardly done 100 solves with the method beforehand, so I could see myself steadily improving throughout.

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your probibly right... i'm gonna move on to oll and pll and then i'll improve at f2l gradually as i solve it w/ fridrich best advice i've had so far. Take that pembo (jk)

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gamemeister27 wrote:
your probibly right... i'm gonna move on to oll and pll and then i'll improve at f2l gradually as i solve it w/ fridrich best advice i've had so far. Take that pembo (jk)

F2L is the most important!

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gamemeister27 wrote:
your probibly right... i'm gonna move on to oll and pll and then i'll improve at f2l gradually as i solve it w/ fridrich best advice i've had so far. Take that pembo (jk)

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Pembo wrote:
gamemeister27 wrote:
your probibly right... i'm gonna move on to oll and pll and then i'll improve at f2l gradually as i solve it w/ fridrich best advice i've had so far. Take that pembo (jk)

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He complimented you in another thread for giving him good advice, I think.
Just to clarify on my earlier post, I didn't switch to full Fridrich, by any means. I still take around 6 looks for my LL, and even the F2L is just intuitive at this point.

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I know its the most important but right now its not getting faster so i'm going to practice oll and pll and then my F2L will get better with each cube solve...I hope. and yes aakron is right pembo. lol

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