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 Post subject: Most puzzles in ten minutes?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:42 pm 
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I thought of an interesting idea, and I've been trying it recently. The challenge is to do as many nontrivially different* Rubik-type** puzzles as you can before the Stackmat timer runs out (or within 10 minutes if you use any other timing device).

*By "nontrivially different" I mean that, for any two puzzles, they can't be the same puzzle (even if the mechanism or stickering is different) and they can't be trivially different (3x3x3 vs. 3x3x3 with orientable centers, tetraminx vs. pyraminx).

**By "Rubik-type puzzles" I pretty much mean any physical puzzle that (a) you manipulate in some way to achieve a certain 'solved state', (b) is assembled both at the beginning and at the end of the solve, and (c) starts either from a single, predefined state or from a random state. As far as I know, all twisty puzzles and many other Rubik puzzles (Clock, Magic, etc.) fall under this category.


With that out of the way, my record is 14 puzzles (Magic, Master Magic, Magic Balls, Snake, Tetraminx, 2x2x2 cube, 3x3x3 cube, 4x4x4 cube, Clock, Rubik's UFO, Netblock UFO, CMetrick, Skewb, Missing Link). It sounds like a lot, but most of these are easy and quick puzzles, with about half of them consistently taking under 30 seconds with a moderate amount of practice. Whether your puzzle collection is smaller than mine or much bigger, I think that this challenge is worth a try. It's fun.

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Sounds like it would be fun... one problem tho, my solves would be limited to 3x3, 4x4, and a snake... lol, not very much competition coming from me :D

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Do you have any Magics? a Pyraminx? a 2x2x2? a Rubik's Clock?

I'm really looking for discussion more than competition (although competition is great).

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Going by my times:
Magic - 1.5s
Master Magic - 5s
Clock - 11s
Tetraminx - 12s
3x3 - 21s
4x4 - 100s
Square - 1 - 70s
2x2 - 10s
Snake - 7s
5x5 - 240s

total of: 477s....123 seconds spare. Maybe a puck solve in there too.

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I would love to see a vid of that Pembo!

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I'll do it now. :P
(I am supposed to be tidying my room though....

EDIT:

I'll finish my room, restring my Magic and then do it.

EDIT2:
Magic restrung, I'll film it now.

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heh, time to check youtube :D

are you putting any nice music behind it like you did that cube marathon?

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No, I will let you add your own music. :)

If you want to know what I was hearing to while doing it, play Halleluwah by CAN.

75% uploaded.

I did ten puzzles in 8:41, the puzzles were:
5x5
4x4
3x3
Tetraminx
2x2
Clock
Square - 1
Magic
Master Magic
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I'll have to make a video sometime. I can do the Rubik's 2+3+4+5 in about five minutes, but I personally wouldn't use the 5x5x5 in the 10-minutes thing because it takes so much time.

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i did my 3x3, snake, and 4x4 in exactly five minutes... does that count for anything?

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How exactly?

I once did a 3x3x3 in 30.00 seconds.

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The video isn't going to show tonight, I will post it tomorrow.

G'night.

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qqwref wrote:
How exactly?

I once did a 3x3x3 in 30.00 seconds.


what do you mean "how exactly?" I started my timer, solved my 3x3, snake, and 4x4 in 5 mins on the dot.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=IW1KOTnPRPw

Video.

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Great video there Pembo!

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Pembo wrote:
I'll do it now. :P
(I am supposed to be tidying my room though....

EDIT:

I'll finish my room, restring my Magic and then do it.

EDIT2:
Magic restrung, I'll film it now.


Why Tidy your room. That would be a pointless thing to do for a Nilla-ist!
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My mam gets annoyed if I don't.

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The video's great!

I really need a camera. :wink: I also need to learn to solve my Square-1 (and make it 15 puzzles).

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square - 1 is easy!

The skewb on the other hand...

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Pembo wrote:
square - 1 is easy!

The skewb on the other hand...


ha, i can't do either :wink: so don't go talking all this crap about them being easy...

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Square-1 isn't that hard with an easy method, but the only solution I'm going to learn is a fast one, and I haven't yet memorized all 30 or so algorithms in the modified Vandenbergh solution I have.

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qqwref wrote:
Square-1 isn't that hard with an easy method, but the only solution I'm going to learn is a fast one, and I haven't yet memorized all 30 or so algorithms in the modified Vandenbergh solution I have.


i'll bet that even a beginner method would confuse me. You see, i have a terrible time with any kind of puzzle that changes shape :D

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http://www.geocities.com/abcmcfarren/ma ... 1xfalt.htm
This is the one I use. It is very easy. the algs may look the same but don't
be dicived the patterns are very diff.

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thanks, i'll defiantly have to try that site out... i'll probably just use Meffert's online square 1 to play with :D

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Myke wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/abcmcfarren/math/sq1/sq1xfalt.htm
This is the one I use. It is very easy. the algs may look the same but don't
be dicived the patterns are very diff.


It looks OK. You could probably make an even simpler solution with a good understanding of the Square-1. (Actually, I should try that.)

I'm going to stick with the solution which I'm using (but which I haven't memorized yet). It's pretty much a variant on Lars Vandenbergh's solution, and it should be fast when I get used to it. The steps are:

- Get 6 big pieces on the bottom (intuitive)
- Solve to a cube (5 algorithms)
- Sort the corners to the right layers (intuitive)
- Sort the edges to the right layers (7 algorithms)
- Permute the corners of both layers (8 algorithms)
- Permute the edges of both layers (2 steps; 9 algorithms + 1 double parity algorithm)
- Swap layers / flip middle piece (3 algorithms)

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I can get sub 1 minutes with this:

Make a 6 corner flower on bottom, and an 8-2 as it is known on the top.(intuition)
Make a cube (Alg)
Put corners in correct layer (Intuition)
Put edges in correct layer (2 algs)
Permute corners (1 alg)
Permute edges (3 algs)
Put puzzle square if needs be (1 alg)

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Wait, you only have one algorithm for permuting corners and three for permuting edges? You must have a really fast turning speed...

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if i remember correctly, pembo's square one is like super loose fast turning goodness. I could be wrong tho.

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Ah. He's lucky, then!

I'm on my way to memorizing the Square-1 solution. All I need is a relatively consistent sub-2 without looking at the alg sheet and I can do 15 puzzles in 10 minutes... I'll take a video when I've learned the Square-1.

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Speedy McFastfast wrote:
if i remember correctly, pembo's square one is like super loose fast turning goodness. I could be wrong tho.

When I first apply lube, I can flick the top layer around two full turns in one flick.
When the lube settles down, it turns very well and I still have very good control over it.

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aha! so i was right! yay!

how much do square one's usually cost now? I've got some cash laying around, might get a new puzzle after i find a stackmat timer...

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Don't know, but I am going to get one of my friend for free.

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you already have a sq 1, what do you need another one for?

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you already have a left hand. what do you need a right one for?


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well one could be a better speedcube than the other and the other one you could
mod. or you could do double OH cubing.

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Always good to have a spare, I mean I have 2 4x4s, 2 5x5s, 2 Clocks, 3 3x3s....so another sq-1 can't hurt.

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lol, ok, point taken. I never really believed in spares (altho i have 2 3x3's, one for OH) so i guess it makes sense...

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