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How fast do you execute your last layer algs on average?
 under 2 seconds 10% [ 3 ] 2-3 seconds 31% [ 9 ] 3-4 seconds 38% [ 11 ] 4-5 seconds 7% [ 2 ] 6-7 seconds 7% [ 2 ] 8-10 seconds 3% [ 1 ] 8-10 seconds 3% [ 1 ]
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 Post subject: How fast are your last layer algs?Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:20 pm

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I need to practice performing these swiftly, especially the PLL. My last layer takes 10-15 seconds (I often have to do a 3-look LL, I only know 20-ish OLL). It sucks, because sometimes I will do my F2L in like 15 seconds, bust out the OLL relatively quick, and then blow my time by spending 7 seconds on a G-permute or something.

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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:24 pm

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2-3 seconds for each, except one or two PLLs which take me a little tiny bit more.

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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:06 pm

Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:29 am
Location: San Diego, California
i did an average of some PLLs and i get about 3 seconds depending on the alg. for the T perm and the J perm they are faster about 2.5 secs. for the Z and the G im slower about 3.25 and 4.3. but overall about 2.5-3 secs. i voted for the 3-4 sec beacuse this is the fast side of my algs and it can be slower depending on how fast i recognize it.

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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:32 pm

Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:12 pm
Location: NY, USA
My best time for doing all of the PLLs in sequence is 74 seconds, so I would say 3-4 seconds per PLL (not including recognition). The record is about 41 seconds so I have a long way to go...

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 Post subject: Alg timesPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:37 pm

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I do CLL ELL so my algs times don't apply to PLL OLL cubers, except as contrast I suppose.

My longest one is flipping over two adjacent edges only.

I don't know what my shortest one is.

I've never timed most of them.

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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:05 pm

Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:28 pm
Location: CA, USA
You have 8-10 sec twice. I do my LL in about 16 sec . I orient the
edges, then orient the corners, then permute the ceorners, then permute the
edges. I am learning some PLL algs now. Each alg takes about 4 sec for me.

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:07 am

Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:15 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland
I average roughly 2 seconds for PLL (excluding recognition). OLL and COLL algs are usually faster so it's under 2 on average for standard LL algorithms. I know some slower ZBLL algs, though...

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:46 am

Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:12 pm
Location: NY, USA
Hey Johannes, can you give me some tips on PLL? You're so fast (UWR I believe)... what kind of cube and what algorithms do you use?

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:22 am

Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:15 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Hey qqwref,
qqwref wrote:
Hey Johannes, can you give me some tips on PLL? You're so fast (UWR I believe)...

Yeah, I have the UWR... But some of the fastest cubers haven't got records on that list so I'm probably not the fastest really.

The best way to practise IMO is doing all 21 algs in a row, that way you get used to all of them (even the ones you hate). And it's easy to see if you are improving. Getting that sub-50 takes just hours of practice (and a good speedcube). I also took averages of all my algs and then worked on the slowest ones until I could average sub-2.5 easily for each case. There were some that I just couldn't do fast enough, so I had to learn better algs.

qqwref wrote:
what kind of cube and what algorithms do you use?

I use a DIY from finder, it's excellent. I have 2 really nice ones from rubiks.com, too, but I just hate the center caps.

Katsu's Planet-Puzzle helped me a lot. I've taken many algs from there and I learned how to perform them quickly by watching his videos. Many people complain that they can't read Japanese, but the notation is easy to understand and there isn't too much text anyway.

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:50 am

Joined: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:49 pm
Location: Pennsylvania
oops, i voted before i read the text below... for a single alg i'm at about 3 seconds, 6 for the slower ones (permuting edges and corners at same time) and in all my LL is about 10 seconds, 12 if i get a 3 look LL.

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:06 pm

Joined: Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:23 pm
Location: The Netherlands
@Johannes

Quote:
I could average sub-2.5 easily for each case

Is that sub 2.5 using a Stackmat?

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 Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:35 am

Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:38 pm
Location: Southern California
Johannes Laire wrote:
Hey qqwref,
qqwref wrote:
Hey Johannes, can you give me some tips on PLL? You're so fast (UWR I believe)...

Yeah, I have the UWR... But some of the fastest cubers haven't got records on that list so I'm probably not the fastest really.

The best way to practise IMO is doing all 21 algs in a row, that way you get used to all of them (even the ones you hate). And it's easy to see if you are improving. Getting that sub-50 takes just hours of practice (and a good speedcube). I also took averages of all my algs and then worked on the slowest ones until I could average sub-2.5 easily for each case. There were some that I just couldn't do fast enough, so I had to learn better algs.

qqwref wrote:
what kind of cube and what algorithms do you use?

I use a DIY from finder, it's excellent. I have 2 really nice ones from rubiks.com, too, but I just hate the center caps.

Katsu's Planet-Puzzle helped me a lot. I've taken many algs from there and I learned how to perform them quickly by watching his videos. Many people complain that they can't read Japanese, but the notation is easy to understand and there isn't too much text anyway.

Hey Johannes, wow thanks for that link, that's a great resource I've kinda just ignored before because of the Japanese. I really do need to work on this, so what do you recommend I do during those "hours of practice"? Just continuous repetition until my fingers master each alg?

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 Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:39 am

Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:15 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Ron wrote:
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I could average sub-2.5 easily for each case

Is that sub 2.5 using a Stackmat?
No, I didn't have a Stackmat. I used a timer that works the same way, but has buttons instead of sensors so the times would've been a tiny bit faster using a Stackmat actually. I started and stopped the timer with the cube in my hands of course.

Daniel W wrote:
I really do need to work on this, so what do you recommend I do during those "hours of practice"? Just continuous repetition until my fingers master each alg?
Yes, just repeat them over and over again. It's like practising Magic.

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 Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:19 pm

Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:02 pm
Location: Ohio
Dude... lets say I get a 40 second time... probably 15 of it is spent on the last layer... i really need to speed it up, but its taking me a while to learn how to...

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:53 pm

Joined: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:49 pm
Location: Pennsylvania
yeah, my LL takes about 10 seconds...

my times would drop really well if i would learn all of the OLL, lol.

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:25 pm

Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:02 pm
Location: Ohio
Same here man and My step brother knows everything i need to know, I'm just too lazy to learn it from him :/

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:32 pm

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:30 pm
Location: Dallas, Texas
FireWezul wrote:
Same here man and My step brother knows everything i need to know, I'm just too lazy to learn it from him :/

That's lucky of you too!! I'm the fastest person in like a 100 mile radius, so I'm teaching everyone else, but I have no one to learn from, and learning by yourself isn't as fun..and harder.

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:01 pm

Joined: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:49 pm
Location: Pennsylvania
Clayne H. wrote:
FireWezul wrote:
Same here man and My step brother knows everything i need to know, I'm just too lazy to learn it from him :/

That's lucky of you too!! I'm the fastest person in like a 100 mile radius, so I'm teaching everyone else, but I have no one to learn from, and learning by yourself isn't as fun..and harder.

i'm the only one in my area that is fast, but i still cube on my own. i guess it just comes down to how devoted you are to cubing.

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:50 pm

Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 pm
Location: FL
I am curious who else put under 2 seconds besides johannes and myself?

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 Post subject: Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:03 am

Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:38 pm
Location: Southern California
Not me lol. However I do think I have moved from 4-5 seconds to 3-4 seconds per alg. I've been practicing, and I'm trying to get all my algs so that I can execute each 4 times in 10 seconds. Right now I can do that only with two: the three-edge-cycles.

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 Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:36 am

Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:02 pm
Location: Ohio
How can you do LL in 2 seconds... mine is like 10-15 seconds lol

I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND IT!!!

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 Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:40 pm

Joined: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:02 pm
FireWezul wrote:
How can you do LL in 2 seconds... mine is like 10-15 seconds lol

I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND IT!!!

This list is about just PLL algs, not PLL + OLL. It's all about practice and practice, and actually make sure your doing the alg without too many grip changes. I can get about 2.7s for my T-Perm, but thats it really.

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:36 pm

Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:02 pm
Location: Ohio
the PLL algs that i do know are easy and I can do them in like 2-4 seconds...

I still haven't learned any advanced OLL though, but yes I know what you mean

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:57 pm

Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:38 pm
Location: Southern California
FireWezul wrote:
How can you do LL in 2 seconds... mine is like 10-15 seconds lol

I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND IT!!!

It would actually be 4 seconds, 2 for OLL and 2 for PLL. And I can't do that, it takes around 7-13 seconds for me to the LL. But I'm getting faster at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Alg timesPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:59 am

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Location: United Kingdom
David J wrote:
I do CLL ELL so my algs times don't apply to PLL OLL cubers, except as contrast I suppose.

My longest one is flipping over two adjacent edges only.

I don't know what my shortest one is.

I've never timed most of them.

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Thanks for that useful and enlightening reply David, a real addition to the discussion.

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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:03 pm

Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:12 pm
Location: NY, USA
I've recently been timing myself for specific PLLs... I can do them all under four seconds at the moment (single execution, stackmat, start/end with cube on mat), and I eventually hope to get them all under 2.5 seconds.

Johannes is right about doing them over and over again - the PLL practice has mde me about a second faster overall. I think I'm going to have to practice OLL and F2L algorithms like this too!

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:56 pm

Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:40 pm
Location: Marske-By-The-Sea, UK
I have done the T Perm in 1.53 seconds.

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