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 Post subject: Slowly Progressing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:16 am 
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Hello everyone, I'm new here on these forums (first post, but I have been reading some threads for a few days) and I am also new to cubing. Rubik's 3x3x3 to be specific. And I am trying to get faster, as I can already consistently do it in under 3 minutes and I have been doing it for only eight days, which makes me happy. My current cube is a standard Rubik's Cube Puzzle from http://www.rubiks.com, but it is really stiff, even after solving it hundreds of times. It's even losing it's stickers (they are those stupid plastic ones). So, today I ordered a DIY cube from rubiks.com, with lube and two sets of PVC stickers, as I am worried that if I continue with this cube much longer I am running risk of messing up my wrists and thumbs, or that is what I have heard. But my ultimate goal is to get under one minute times consistently by the end of next year. I have a friend at school who can get 40's while walking and talking, and 20's while focusing. Now I know that's pretty standard for most you guys on here, but that's really fast to me!

I am using the basic layers method that can be found on jeays.net, with some modification I have made for speed.

Do any of you guys have any more advice for me besides practice, practice, practice?

One final question, I was looking at the cubesmith.com stickers, and I was wondering about the textured tiles. They look really cool, but I'm afraid that they will thrash my finger tips, any input on those?

And finally, a link to a video of me doing the cube in 1:39. http://www.benellett.com/cube/cube.html Please let me know if this isn't working, as I am the web designer, photographer, and everything for my website and I would like to know if something's wrong.

Thanks and sorry for the long post, Ben.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:29 am 
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Hey, welcome! There's numerous threads about improving 3x3x3 solve times already. You can find them using the forums search feature.

To answer some of your questions tho...

- you'll definitely be faster once you get the DIY cube. A looser cube and finger shortcuts can drastically improve you times. Until you get the new cube I suggest stop gripping and turning the cube the way you are doing right now and practice twisting using just your fingers. The sooner this comes natural to you the better (it took me a long time to switch from noob gripping to finger flicks..:) )

- The cubesmith textured tiles I have on one of my cubes don't bother me a bit. The bumps are way too small to do any kind of damage. I have yet to hear any horror stories about those tiles lol/

-about your video. Youtube spoiled me. Your vid took a almost a minute and a half start viewing (and I am on a 3mbps dsl connection). I'm not sure if it's your server or the size of the video file.

that's my 3x3x3 cents!


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Thanks for all the help, I will work on my finger tricks, but it is SUPER hard to do with my current cube. So you think the cubesmith textured tiles might be better than the Rubik's PVC's? I might get a set after I run down the PVC's, which should be a while from now.

About my video, it loads slow because it's quicktime, not because it's on a slow server.

Looking forward to getting that new cube!


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 Post subject: Re: Slowly Progressing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:07 am 
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bedheadben wrote:
my ultimate goal is to get under one minute times consistently by the end of next year.


dude, you'll probably be under a minute (avg.) in a couple of weeks, are you sure you didn't mean the end of this year?

The only pieces of advice I have are improve your method, practice and keep your cube in good condition.

Some more specific info for improving/modifying your method

I think this last layer approach is best for beginners and feeds into COLL -> PELL well. It's easier/faster then the jeays solution IMO.
http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/rubiks ... ution.html

This is a YouTube playlist in which a guy runs you through a 7-step solution that leads into Fridrich method quite nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... B107473106

The Petrus method is also very good and ranges all the way from beginner to 1-step LL:
http://lar5.com/cube/

The Roux method was designed by a frenchman and therefore highly suspect. Even more suspicious is the fact that some people are getting insane times with it.
http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html

It may help to look around at different methods, to see what takes your fancy.

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sub 1?

dude, by next year, the end of next year, if you keep at it, i would see you hitting, maybe sub 30 if you stick with it

ok for your cube, the Rubik's.com lube isn't all the great i hear.

Get some PURE SILICONE from a local hardware store, disassemble ur cube, lay the pieces out, spray them up, wait 10 minutes and spray the other sides of the cubies, well i got all of the corners in 1 sweep, but the edges, i needed 2 sweeps, (lube 1 side, 10 min, other side, 10 min assemble)

as for center tension adjusting, i have not adjusted mine, cuz I have a 25th anniversary cube that means rivets, so I can't share any info on that...

but here are two speed cube sites...

http://www.speedcubing.com >ton's building corner> speedcubing>Make speedcube

also http://www.freespaces.com/jasa86/cube/smooth_cube.htm

as for method...

http://www.tj9991.com/rubiksguide/

I use lets see, well 1 alg for the cross, 2 algs for the corners, 2 for the edges, and then I use that guide for the LL.

I don't use those corner perms, I use the ones from http://www.cubezone.be

also, I know, those 2 corner perms,, another 1, and 2 more edge perms so I know 7 perms all together. Now I am focusing learning F2L algs from speedcubing.com, I know, lets see, 7...what like 30+ more to go!

I have times from like 1minute to I think a really easy scramble 39 seconds...I have also started to think about learning some more OLL's...

wow, when you really start getting good times, so many algs hit u in the face...F2L, OLL, PLL...it is too much!

:)

also for the cube YOu have right now, maybe try sanding some edges of some of the pieces,don't go overboard though, cuz it will kill your cube and make it lockup central, belive me, I have done it, but also, get some pure silicone and lube up ur cube! that should give you some relief until you get ur DIY.

also, for later on down the line, use jessica fridrich's site for learning your OLL's in the order of most occurance, u know?

http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/orient.html


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 Post subject: Re: Slowly Progressing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:14 pm 
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gerard wrote:
some people are getting insane times with it.


What kind of times?

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Thanks for the tips you two, should defineatly help me. I can now conisitently get under 2:00, so maybe I will be able to do sub 1's by the end of this year...


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I can see it in the realm of possibility...


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Wow, I my step-dad just gave me some silicon spray that he uses for work stuff, but he let me keep this spray can, so I took off edge and two corners of the cube, shot two quick sprays in, put it back together, solved it once, then let it sit for 20 minutes, and SURPRISE! It is taking a looooong time to get used to, but wow, it is so much faster, and I can do almost all the alg's with only my fingers now (not gripping it like I used to). So far I am getting the sames times as before (1:50-2:10), just way more consistant. AND, I haven't had a piece pop yet.

Now off to spend more time finessing it and trying to exact my turns.

You all know this, but I just learned that if I make a turn, but stop it maybe 5 degrees from perfectly aligned, or go 5 degrees past (depending on the next move) it makes the next move way quicker.

So far my favorite alg is R U Ri U R U2 Ri. Try it, it's great!

So now that this is 10 times more fun than it was before, I can see me getting a sub 1 time before the end of the year, got a bunch of long flights (8 hours total), a TON of driving (20 hours minimum) and stuff before new years, so I have lots of time on my hands to just mess around and see what works and what doesn't.
What I have been doing in the way of using my fingers instead of my wrists is, I have been using the BUR and BUL corners as triggers, and moving the cube in my hand, so the face that needs to be moved is up. Seems way more efficient to me that way. Help would help, thanks!


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If that's the algorithm I'm thinking of, you can do it faster with easier finger tricks by turning the cube and then doing it.

R U Ri U R U2 Ri

that's after the cross, right? One of the fish looking OLLs...

Next time, when you get to that part of the solve again, turn the whole cube counter-clockwise and do the algorithm:

Ri U2 R U Ri U R

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I just tried, but it's actually slower for me for some reason.

Here's a link to a video of how I do now: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-495185858930055087&hl=en


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For me, R U R' U R U2 R' and R' U2 R U R' U R are almost equally fast. I know both of them and use the one that gives easier case for the last step. I don't think one is better than the other, but of course it's just my personal opinion.


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bedheadben wrote:
I just tried, but it's actually slower for me for some reason.

Here's a link to a video of how I do now: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-495185858930055087&hl=en


Is it just me or did it take you about 3 tries to get the cross..? Maybe I saw it wrong..


and for the alg I showed you..Did you use your left hand to do the finger tricks? If so, than I guess they're basically the same with practice.

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Ya, they are pretty similar, but I still like the one I was using before more.


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The algorithm you mention rur'uru2r' I know from Lars' method and is called a Sune.

You might know this but here's a tip. That alg only works properly if for lack of better terms, the fishhead is at the UFL position and the U color is located on the F face at UFR. If it isn't some people have to do the Sune twice to fix it. I discovered that if the U color is on the R face of UFR, you can do u2ru2r'u'ru'r' to twist the corners in one shot instead of doing the sune twice.

Just giving a tip that I use, there are probably many people with better algs for that and you might already know it.


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The algorithm you mention rur'uru2r' I know from Lars' method and is called a Sune.

You might know this but here's a tip. That alg only works properly if for lack of better terms, the fishhead is at the UFL position and the U color is located on the F face at UFR. If it isn't some people have to do the Sune twice to fix it. I discovered that if the U color is on the R face of UFR, you can do u2ru2r'u'ru'r' to twist the corners in one shot instead of doing the sune twice.

Just giving a tip that I use, there are probably many people with better algs for that and you might already know it.

Ya, I know that R U Ri U R U2 Ri works on one fish, and the for the other fish I use: R U2 Ri Ui R Ui Ri, which is just as fast.

Now I have a record time of 1:24.80, and a 1:40 average


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Hey man... You sound like you are doing good for how long you've been cubing.... as my profile says, Ive been cubing for about 3 months (tomorrow will be exactly) and my avereage is already sub-60 do if you keeo at it for a little while, you don't have that far to go...

Also, if you have a friend, let them teach you strategies that they use because thats how I learned, and believe me, it really helps!

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Thanks, this is how I'm doing right now:

Fastest Solve: 1:04.37

Best Average: 1:28.71


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