Kyle's 3x3x3 video

Kyle Allaire · **Joined:** Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 pm **Location:** FL

I see alot of people posting solving vids, here's my webcam quality solve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbAwtn0A8rg

sideways OLL/backwards PLL for the win. ^_^

Scramble=R' L2 D2 F R U D' F R B' F2 D F' U2 L U' R2 L' F2 U2 L R U' F2 D

If only i had 3 days off from work before G-wiz to practice

enigmahack · **Joined:** Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:25 am **Location:** Canada

!!!!
Wow dude - I WISH I could do it that fast... little by little though but nice solve man. Very nice

FireWezul · **Joined:** Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:02 pm **Location:** Ohio

Thats pretty amazing dude!

keep at it!

-FireWezul

gerard · **Joined:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:07 am

Holy damn crap that's fast... so you use petrus f2l OLL/PLL yeah?

Kyle Allaire · **Joined:** Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 pm **Location:** FL

Yes.Sometimes ZBLL.

Speedy McFastfast · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:27 pm

DAAAAAANG....

oh, and i have a stupid question: what is the ZBLL?

cuben00b · **Joined:** Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:50 pm **Location:** the USA

well correct me if i am wrong

but with the ZB, this is what happens, you do the cross, then there are like 96 algs for the F2L, what they do, is get the corner and edge all good, and also they orient the LL edge, you do this 4 times for F2L and so you got oriented LL edges, then what like, 204 LL algs to solve the last layer in 1 alg.

Really fast, a lot of memorizing and recognition though...

Kyle Allaire · **Joined:** Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 pm **Location:** FL

Basically an example of ZBLL, is instead of doing an OLL alg then a PLL alg. You can flip and swap all needed pieces at once in one move

see chris hardwick's page on http://www.speedcubing.com and he has some pages about it.I would recommend learning ZBLL at any experience level.

Clayne H. · **Posted:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:20 am

I'm having a hellish time just trying to get down the standard OLL and PLL's...

Clayne H. · **Posted:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:22 am

Woah! I just watched the video (I don't know why I didn't the first time). That was crazy fast..and smooth.

BTW, I need tips on making the perfect cube. I can get it loose and worn in well, but I always have a big problem with the cube locking up a lot and keeping me from my potential time...

And, of course, eventually the pieces start popping out like crazy..

Johannes Laire · **Posted:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:11 am

cuben00b wrote:

well correct me if i am wrong

You're welcome.

cuben00b wrote:

but with the ZB, this is what happens, you do the cross, then there are like 96 algs for the F2L, what they do, is get the corner and edge all good, and also they orient the LL edge, you do this 4 times for F2L and so you got oriented LL edges, then what like, 204 LL algs to solve the last layer in 1 alg.

The first 3 c/e-pairs are just normal, like Fridrich. But during the last one you orient LL edges. That's 306 algs. ZBLL is 493 algs. I have no idea where you got those numbers from.

cuben00b wrote:

Really fast, a lot of memorizing and recognition though...

Really fast? Well, it could be, but I don't think ZB is a good idea.

cuben00b · **Joined:** Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:50 pm **Location:** the USA

Johannes Laire wrote:

cuben00b wrote:

well correct me if i am wrong

You're welcome.

cuben00b wrote:

but with the ZB, this is what happens, you do the cross, then there are like 96 algs for the F2L, what they do, is get the corner and edge all good, and also they orient the LL edge, you do this 4 times for F2L and so you got oriented LL edges, then what like, 204 LL algs to solve the last layer in 1 alg.

The first 3 c/e-pairs are just normal, like Fridrich. But during the last one you orient LL edges. That's 306 algs. ZBLL is 493 algs. I have no idea where you got those numbers from.

cuben00b wrote:

Really fast, a lot of memorizing and recognition though...

Really fast? Well, it could be, but I don't think ZB is a good idea.

hmm, i could have sworn i saw on the ZB site it took 300 algs for the whole system, subtract 96 for F2L and you get 204, but i guess i was wrong o well.

Johannes Laire · **Posted:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:41 am

cuben00b wrote:

hmm, i could have sworn i saw on the ZB site it took 300 algs for the whole system, subtract 96 for F2L and you get 204, but i guess i was wrong o well.

Yeah, if you can mirror and inverse algs in your head without losing time in speedsolving, then you need just 300. But I don't think anyone can do it.

Speedy McFastfast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:52 pm

soo... has anyone every actually solved the cube fast using purely this method?

cuben00b · **Joined:** Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:50 pm **Location:** the USA

Speedy McFastfast wrote:

soo... has anyone every actually solved the cube fast using purely this method?

the ZB? I don't think so, I know that Chris Hardwick and Lars Vandenberg know the F2L and use them, o, and so does Bob Burton, but really, knowing the F2L and not knowing the LL doesn't do anything, does it? Like does it make your times better?

Kyle Allaire · **Joined:** Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 pm **Location:** FL

Chris hardwick had a few averages posted on his website of his attempts with ZB i think?Well i think he quit because the times were not improving.Overall ZB sounds too difficult, however i am going to attempt to learn ZBLL full eventually.

And i believe numerous people mentioned the maximum time saved on LL was 2 seconds cuben00b.

Speedy McFastfast · **Posted:** Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:29 pm

so you are really only going to improve in your speeds if you throw away your life in learning the ZB...

Clayne H. · **Posted:** Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:40 pm

In a sense, everyone throws away their life in whatever they do. With that in mind, a person can not do a single thing of joy and determination if they wanted to not "throw their life away", but even that can be looked upon as the same. SO, in conclusion, nobody is throwing away their life unless they are doing something forced upon them without choice.

Whether he wants to contribute a lot of his time on one thing instead of contributing a lot of his time to various things, I don't think, is much of a difference.

Or you could turn it around:

"Why do you throw your life away doing various things and not getting significantly better at any of them when you could concentrate on a single thing and master it?"

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Sorry, I hate it when I do that, too.

Johannes Laire · **Posted:** Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:05 am

Speedy McFastfast wrote:

so you are really only going to improve in your speeds if you throw away your life in learning the ZB...

Why do you think that's the only way?

bedheadben · **Posted:** Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:33 am

Hmm, very fast. Now, if you can do this in a comp, you are shooting for the world record! Keep at it!

Kyle Allaire · **Joined:** Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 pm **Location:** FL

Johannes, you need to make a video

Speedy McFastfast · **Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:43 pm

Johannes Laire wrote:

Speedy McFastfast wrote:

so you are really only going to improve in your speeds if you throw away your life in learning the ZB...

Why do you think that's the only way?

thats just the way it sounded from what everyone was saying: it will take soooo much effort to improve just slightly with your times that it is almost not worth it.

oh, and i didn't mean to offend anyone by saying that, sorry if i did

Clayne H. · **Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:44 am

Speedy McFastfast wrote:

Johannes Laire wrote:

Speedy McFastfast wrote:

so you are really only going to improve in your speeds if you throw away your life in learning the ZB...

Why do you think that's the only way?

thats just the way it sounded from what everyone was saying: it will take soooo much effort to improve just slightly with your times that it is almost not worth it.

oh, and i didn't mean to offend anyone by saying that, sorry if i did

You didn't offend me. I just go off in some extreme directions sometimes, haha.

Speedy McFastfast · **Posted:** Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:42 pm

Clayne H. wrote:

Speedy McFastfast wrote:

Johannes Laire wrote:

[quote="Speedy McFastfast"]so you are really only going to improve in your speeds if you throw away your life in learning the ZB...

Why do you think that's the only way?

thats just the way it sounded from what everyone was saying: it will take soooo much effort to improve just slightly with your times that it is almost not worth it.

oh, and i didn't mean to offend anyone by saying that, sorry if i did

You didn't offend me. I just go off in some extreme directions sometimes, haha.[/quote]

k, glad to hear

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