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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:40 am 
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I have just seen this video, and the world record has been smashed, how come no one posted about it on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7F4w0ykrzE

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 Post subject: Re: 10.48 new record...
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The video, or the record? The record was posted on Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:12 pm (PST) by Chris Pelley in the US Nationals thread. L8r.


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I meant how come no one mentioned it on the forums? I how come I have just found out? :shock:

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I meant how come no one mentioned it on the forums? I how come I have just found out? :shock:


Becuase you weren't paying attention! :)

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Touché.

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Not the correct usage of the word touche ;)

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It really is a shame that Toby isn't getting any national recognition. I have a feeling this record will be around a while.

Being a sports lover, I'm very upset at the things that have been happening with performance enhancing cheating at the pro level. I fully believe that speedcubing is free from these types of disgraceful actions and is entirely pure and legitimate.

It would be wonderful to hear Toby's name on the news instead of Barry Bonds or Floyd Landis, he really deserves it. Toby has always come across to me as a sincerely nice guy who really enjoys life and people.

Maybe now people could refer to Tyson as "Toby's Brother"

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What's wrong with Floyd Landis?


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What's wrong with Floyd Landis?



His screening found impossibly high levels of testosterone. It almost seems like a set up but the fact is he took something. Believe me, I wanted it to be not true, but it is.

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Not the correct usage of the word touche ;)


what is the correct usage then?

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His screening found impossibly high levels of testosterone.


Where do you know that from? Can you show a source that says so?


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StefanPochmann wrote:
Where do you know that from? Can you show a source that says so?


It's been in the news for a bit, heres a story on it

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TVNewsAt11

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skeneegee wrote:
It's been in the news for a bit, heres a story on it


Yeah, that's the almost typical article. Here's an even more typical one:
http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/sto ... 569&k=4325

Notice how the first paragraph claims that "his team said he tested positive for high levels of testosterone".

Only a few paragraphs below they say the truth, namely "an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone".

That's the real quote, as you can see in his team's announcement:
http://www.phonak-cycling.ch/index.php?id=5&L=1&uid=318

Where does it say that testosterone was high? Nowhere! It's talking about a ratio! This is common about all the articles I've seen, they all talk about a high testosterone level, some mention the ratio but don't explain it, and most seem to get their information from his team's statement. Btw, here's their statement after the second test:
http://www.phonak-cycling.ch/index.php?id=5&L=1&uid=330

Again, they do *not* talk about a high testosterone level.

If you now look at Floyd's website:
http://www.floydlandis.com/blog/2006/08 ... /#more-175

He says his testosterone was in the normal range and the epitestosteron was *low*. Admittedly his site is the only source I found for this claim, but that's because nobody else cares! I haven't seen any statement about the T and E values separately, only about a high ratio (or a high T value, based on the common misunderstanding). Everybody just immediately jumps on the "high testosterone" train without thinking.

Finally, check out the (also common) headline of this article:
http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... menu34_2_6

The headline is "Team: Landis Tested Positive for Testosterone". Oh no! Can you believe it? The man has testosterone! Just in case you don't know, it occurs naturally in humans. And they make it sound like it's something bad by itself, like testosterone=doping.

Now, I'm not saying he's innocent. I don't know. What I *do* know however is that the media appears to be full of complete idiots. I see a striking similarity to the quality of articles about cubing...

Oh btw, if you have some time watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4384920696


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interesting. i agree with stefan.

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What I *do* know however is that the media appears to be full of complete idiots. I see a striking similarity to the quality of articles about cubing...
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most of the articles that i have read are people twisting "our" word to make it sound however the journalist wants it to sound.


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I was just trying to keep it simple, as far as I understand,

When your body makes Testosterone it also makes Epitestosterone at about a ratio of 4:1. Epitestosterone doesn't have any known performance enhancing abilities so people only dose Testosterone. They may take Epitestosterone with Testosterone to try to keep the natural 4:1 ratio in case of screening.

Floyd Landis' was 11:1 which is off the charts. The funny thing is that he knows that it wouldn't have affected his performance the day he took it, I guess it doesn't work like that.

Sounds suspicious but for him to win seemed almost impossible, I don't know why someone would try to sabotage someone who seemingly didn't have a chance.

I really don't know what to think of this except that it's awful that anyone has to deal with this in the first place.

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Floyd Landis' was 11:1 which is off the charts.


Do you still interpret that as a high testosterone level?
Maybe it helps if I rewrite it as 4 : 0.36 ?


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This thread seems to have turned towards Landis...so I'm offering my two cents.

In all I've heard on the radio/tv etc was that he had high levels of testoserone. Not that he took a banned substance to get the level, just that it was high.

Personally I'm getting quite angry at the officials for the Tour de France. In the seven? years Lance Armstrong owned the race he was continually tested for performance enhancing drugs. And if I remember correctly was chosen more than twice in the past years to be "randomly" tested. It got to the point (I can't quote, just remember) that he insisted if they wanted to test him, they came to him instead of the other way around.

Lances story is quite powerful. He overcame cancer to become a leading athlete (please don't argue the term) for almost a decade.

It feels like the Tour is annoyed that Americans have been dominating the field.

On another point, I believe three of the most popular racers this year were disqualified before the race even started because of substance.

That's what I know.

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StefanPochmann wrote:
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Floyd Landis' was 11:1 which is off the charts.


Do you still interpret that as a high testosterone level?
Maybe it helps if I rewrite it as 4 : 0.36 ?


It is a high level of testosterone compared to his epitestosterone whatever way you express it.

(I hope I never have to type the above T and E words, ever again.)

At least thats how I understand it Stefan.

I would love to see him clear his name somehow.

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They should just allow Steriods and other banned substances, just think how fun the olympics would be? Long Jump would be held over the Grand Canyon, High Jump over the Eiffel Tower, and my favourite, a quote from Lee Evans. 'The triple would go, hop, skip and where the **** did he go?'

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It would make sense to have steroid leagues and non steroid leagues just so everyone can play at the right level. It would be interesting to see which is more popular.

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skeneegee wrote:
It is a high level of testosterone compared to his epitestosterone whatever way you express it.


Correct. But why do you automatically interpret that as high T value instead of low E value? Have a look at what Wikipedia says about testosterone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone

Search for "300" and you'll find "levels below 200 to 300 pmol/l". That's for testosterone alone! You don't necessarily have to determine the T/E ratio. And Floyd says his T value was normal and E was low and I haven't seen any officials or news explicitly deny that! Have you? Still you claim T was high and imply E was normal (at least you said in the beginning and didn't retract it yet).

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(I hope I never have to type the above T and E words, ever again.)


Why not? Even you have both of them in you. Why do people make them sound evil? Actually you (and Pembo!) even have steroids in you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/hor ... esto_1.htm


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StefanPochmann wrote:

Correct. But why do you automatically interpret that as high T value instead of low E value? Have a look at what Wikipedia says about testosterone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone




I don't know, from what I gather T and E are made together at a 1:4 ratio. I never considered a low E. I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means, I just am going by what the "experts" say.

I'm all for you arguing Floyds case Stefan, it's out of my league :wink:

Most of all I'm upset that it has to come to this. You don't know who to trust in sports. I just think it's a real shame that nintendo baseball is more trustworthy than the real thing.

I hope this subject is never an issue for the WCA.

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Pembo wrote:
They should just allow Steriods and other banned substances, just think how fun the olympics would be? Long Jump would be held over the Grand Canyon, High Jump over the Eiffel Tower, and my favourite, a quote from Lee Evans. 'The triple would go, hop, skip and where the **** did he go?'


Thats what I thought all a long. I still think they should make smoking illegal and not steriods because smoking kills more people then steriods. I'd love to see a league with and without steriods. At least they're only screwing up there lives and no one elses unlike smoking.


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The new Super Bowl would have to be the MEGA bowl, or the ultra bowl...

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skeneegee wrote:
I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means


Well yeah, me neither :D

I'm just very skeptical of the media, especially when it's about celebrities. I think it started when I realized how much they don't care about accuracy in cubing articles. These days I don't trust them much. Tom Cruise said this, Paris Hilton did that, I don't believe it. I might read it for the amusement but I don't trust it. The media doesn't care much about accuracy or what they're doing to people, all that matters is attention. Scandals preferred.

So when I read that about Floyd I was for some reason curious and searched for a website of him, not only to hear his side of the story but also to hear it from him directly. So then I read his explanation about the ratio and the normal testosterone level and from then on I realized how the media articles all get it wrong.

Hmm, actually I might've read this article about Landis first, I was on that site for something else at that time:
http://www.johnberardi.com/2006_07_01_archive.html


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On my first solve of the first round, I skipped two F2L pairs before locking up at 8 seconds flat during PLL. The lockup made me do the wrong move, then I had to undo it, and after that, I had to undo a few more moves to figure out where I was in the PLL. This added at least two seconds, and I got 12.09. Without the luck, it would have been around 17. ;)


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Pembo wrote:
ScottBedard wrote:
Not the correct usage of the word touche ;)


what is the correct usage then?


Hey, Pembo,

"Touche`" is French for "touch" and is a fencing term. It looks to me that you meant "touche" as, "you got me" which is correct usage.

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Some new blog entries if someone's still interested:
http://floydlandis.com/blog/


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