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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:49 pm 
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Hi

I recently got 2 rubik's cubes for my birthday (a 3x3x3 and a 5x5x5) and got kinda obsessed with them :oops:. I've been looking for solving methods, and found some method called "Fisher method", where you make the layers one by one. I've been practising this a couple of days, and learnt 4 alghorithms for it. I can solve this thing consistently in about 3 or 4 minutes, horribly slow indeed :wink: .

I'd like to know some other methods that allow me to solve it in less than a minute. I have been googling around, but I got lost in the numerous amount of methods.

I kinda "mastered" the basic method, and I'd really like to know from some experts what method I should learn now.

Thanks in advance, you could save me a lot of research work :P

Zeal

PS: the 5x5x5 is nuts by the way, it took me 3 hours to solve it with a whole list of alghorithms next to me :D


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thats how it took me when I first learned so don't feel bad. I recomend learning the petrus method because there are very few algs you need to know. also because lars site is very easy to follow because of the java cubes. Ask Kyle A. about it if you have trouble. he is very good with it.

fridrich method is another fast method. it has a lot more algs to learn but is easyer to be very fast with. also try dans cube station because it has animated cubes too.

Petrus
http://lar5.com/cube/

fridrich
http://www.cubestation.co.uk/

I can't do 5x5x5s :(

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If you are looking to improve on a layer by layer method, then you will want the Fridrich method:
http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/cube.html

If you want a completely different method, try the Petrus method:
http://lar5.com/cube/

People recommend you get an average of 1 minute using normal LBL method before moving on to these.

And just a tip, next time search the forum, this question has been asked a lot of times.

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@.=split(//,"J huhesartc kPaeenrro,lt");do{print$.[$_];$_=($_+3)%25;}while($_!=0);


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First of all, I really appreciate the fast answers, and the fact that they are similar is cool too, I know what to do the next few days :D

Secondly, I'm sorry I didn't search the forum first :oops:. I should've realised many newbies like me ask these questions.. I think just got too enthousiastic for asking some "pro advice"

Thirdly (for captaincrash), I used this site for solving the 5x5x5: http://www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html
I really love the last part, where you have to handle the 5x5x5 as a 3x3x3. I thought that would be impossible for my brain to handle, but it was surprisingly easy !


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I don't have a 5x5x5 I used one on the computer and the algs took forever to do on it. it was like 1 move per 2 seconds. I know how to do a 4x4x4 though no algs on paper.

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Zeal wrote:
Thirdly (for captaincrash), I used this site for solving the 5x5x5: http://www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html
I really love the last part, where you have to handle the 5x5x5 as a 3x3x3. I thought that would be impossible for my brain to handle, but it was surprisingly easy !


hehe i used that site to learn to solve the cubes as well. i would seach Frank Morris' solution to the 5x5x5... it's done in stages like alchemistmatt, but with quicker methods.

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Zeal wrote:
Secondly, I'm sorry I didn't search the forum first :oops:. I should've realised many newbies like me ask these questions.. I think just got too enthousiastic for asking some "pro advice"


No problem at all mate. :D

@Captain: Damn you must have press post the second before me :P

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Thirdly (for captaincrash), I used this site for solving the 5x5x5: http://www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html
I really love the last part, where you have to handle the 5x5x5 as a 3x3x3. I thought that would be impossible for my brain to handle, but it was surprisingly easy !

http://www.bigcubes.com
That is also a very good site. It is the method Frank Morris uses, THE authority on big cubes, if he doesn't know what he is on about, no one does. :wink:


Just some more advice when it comes to learn them, learn F2L, then PLL then OLL. Trust me, it is for the best, OLL is useless without PLL. And also, learn F2L by heart, put most time into learning this, as it makes up most of your solve time, so the faster you can get this, the faster you will be in general.
When learning the algorithms, don't push it too much, learn 2 algorithms a night, just keep doing them over and over and over again, until you don't think about them, and your hands just do them for you.

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@.=split(//,"J huhesartc kPaeenrro,lt");do{print$.[$_];$_=($_+3)%25;}while($_!=0);


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I got to puting the last 2 corner triples together and I didn't do the alg right and messed tho whole thing up. it took me like and hour to get that far so I gave up.

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Individual Times: 14.17, 12.93, (12.89), 13.12, 14.00, 15.59, 16.23, 14.11, 14.03, (17.61), 14.75, 14.89


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I bumped my old thread :)

Circular reference :
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YES!!!! I did it. it took me 17:32 seconds and I did it in 373 moves. no "special" algs needed I figured it all out!!!! I used th ones from 4x4x4 and 3x3x3. I like how there is no posibility for 1 bad edge at the end and no weir double edge switch like the 4x4x4. way easyer once you get the centers and stuf done. centers took me 10 minutes then edge took me 6 and then the 3x3x3 solve took me what ever is left.

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Individual Times: 14.17, 12.93, (12.89), 13.12, 14.00, 15.59, 16.23, 14.11, 14.03, (17.61), 14.75, 14.89


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You can do fine with the layer by layer method. I use it and I average 40 seconds. :)

As for the 5x5, I'd wait out on that one untill you can solve consistantly around 90 seconds. By then you can reconize more patters and tricks. Then you can use http://www.bigcubes.com for the 5x5x5 solution.

Just one thing. Remember to have fun. :D

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All my friends say aren't you bored with cubes yet? I just say it's fun because it is a surprise every time. you never know what the cube will be like when you solve.

practice, practice, practice. every thing comes in time. the first cube I got I played with it then put it away for a year then I saw someone on the news solving one in like 25 seconds. I got out my cube and got on the computer and found the petrus method. then I said it was too hard and would try later. I got another cube that came with instructions because at the time I had a key chain thing. I learned the booklet LBL method in a few days and could solve in about 5 minutes. then I went back and learned the petrus. now 3 years later(lots of practice) I can get sub 20 sometimes and average around 23. just stick with it.

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Individual Times: 14.17, 12.93, (12.89), 13.12, 14.00, 15.59, 16.23, 14.11, 14.03, (17.61), 14.75, 14.89


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Actually captain for 5x5x5 i get 1 bad edge alot. but the 4x4x4 dedge flip or w/e its called works for it.

Zeal, Beginner method is easiest with petrus but not fastest at first.Fridrich is sort of easy as well but there are alot more algorithms in the long run.


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do you mean when you are puting edges together. or something else. when you say there is one bad edge it means the 2 that go with it are bad.

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pairing edges.


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