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 Post subject: GAH!!! layer skip
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:49 am 
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I encountered my first and possibly only layer skip. I did the first two layers then the LL was done. my time was 12.62. it took me like a second to realize that it was done. it's never gonna happan to me again. out of 1000s of combinations it was the best one.

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cool.once i had a pop with 2 pieces and then i did zbf2l with LL skip and had 13.xx


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:11 am 
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isn't zbF2L the same as petrus F2L?

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No....ZB is like the Fridrich method except, the last algorithm turns all the edges up on the last layer. It is the same principle as Petrus method, but is done cross on one layer then 4 CE pairs to be inserted.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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i still do 2x2x3 but i place CE pair and FD edge then ZBF2L.Bad edges are a waste of time because it is a step in its own.I'm learning ZBF2L because it flips + pairs which saves amazing amounts of time.it is originally a cross with 3 CE pairs and placing last CE while flipping all U edges.I can't imagine learning full ZB within a year.


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It's only 306 algorithms.... 8-)

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Pembo wrote:
It's only 306 algorithms.... 8-)


It's much more...


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I think I've had 5 LL-skips in my life. With Petrus or ZBF2L it's 1/1944 chance, so it's not that impossible. I got one of the skips last week. I was finishing 4b with RUR', but popped two pieces. Took a few seconds to put them back, and after that LL was solved... Time was 14.xx, I think.


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Johannes91 wrote:
Pembo wrote:
It's only 306 algorithms.... 8-)


It's much more...

I took that from Vandenbergh's site, he has his ZB method on there.
http://www.cubezone.be/zbf2l.html

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Pembo wrote:
I took that from Vandenbergh's site, he has his ZB method on there.
http://www.cubezone.be/zbf2l.html


Yes, that's ZBF2L. But ZB includes also ZBLL (solving LL with one alg if edges are oriented), and that's almost 500 algs. So it's ~800 for complete ZB... 8-)


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Is that possible to learn?

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I'm sure it is. but it would take a while.

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the only person i've really noticed learning the entiremethod is chris hardwick.


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he is amazing. blindfold 3x3x3-5x5x5, one handed, anything. I saw a 10 minute video of him memorizing and solveing a 4x4x4 blindfolded.

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he is amazing. blindfold 3x3x3-5x5x5, one handed, anything. I saw a 10 minute video of him memorizing and solveing a 4x4x4 blindfolded.

Stefan does all those too, he even BLD the super 5x5. Didn't you?

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nope I can do a 2x2 blind. it takes me a while to do though.

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Sorry, my question was aimed at Stefan, my bad. :shock:

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Pembo wrote:
Is that possible to learn?


Maybe, but it will take several years. And it's only around one second faster than normal Fridrich with OLL and PLL (once mastered), so I think practising normal methods for 3 years would be a better idea... :wink:

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the only person i've really noticed learning the entiremethod is chris hardwick.


There's a ZB group on yahoo. There were several people learning it last year, but I believe everyone (including Hardwick) has given up. Zborowski uses his own ZZ system, which requires a lot less algorithms.

I'm not going to consider ZB seriously... Doing 4b and OLL in one go seems easier, because after that there's only PLL left and a lot of those algs are fast RU. But with ZB, there are two really hard steps.


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Pembo wrote:
CaptianCrash44 wrote:
he is amazing. blindfold 3x3x3-5x5x5, one handed, anything. I saw a 10 minute video of him memorizing and solveing a 4x4x4 blindfolded.

Stefan does all those too, he even BLD the super 5x5. Didn't you?


Nah, I never even attempted the 4x4. Jumped from 3x3 to 5x5 directly (well, after megaminx) cause I somewhat had to. And I'd be nowhere near 10 minutes for 4x4, it'd take me at least an hour I think. Chris did Super 5x5 as well I believe.


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chris owns all. I learned a lot from his site. like one handed stuff. he had the record for one handed at one time. it was like 45 seconds I think.

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it's so wierd when it happans because the cube is just done and it gets ya by surprise. very odd when it happans

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Pembo wrote:
CaptianCrash44 wrote:
he is amazing. blindfold 3x3x3-5x5x5, one handed, anything. I saw a 10 minute video of him memorizing and solveing a 4x4x4 blindfolded.

Stefan does all those too, he even BLD the super 5x5. Didn't you?


Super 4x4x4 & Super 5x5x5 == Easyer than normal 4x4x4 & 5x5x5 for BLD.

~Thom


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Kirjava wrote:
Pembo wrote:
CaptianCrash44 wrote:
he is amazing. blindfold 3x3x3-5x5x5, one handed, anything. I saw a 10 minute video of him memorizing and solveing a 4x4x4 blindfolded.

Stefan does all those too, he even BLD the super 5x5. Didn't you?


Super 4x4x4 & Super 5x5x5 == Easyer than normal 4x4x4 & 5x5x5 for BLD.

~Thom

How?

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On a 4x4x4, centres can be sent to different places and still be classed as solved. on a super, it has it's own unique place. Having multiple solutions makes it very confusing when memorising, as you kind of have to remember extra info and make decisions. You can make one too many cycles, or put multiple pieces into the same spot.

Then again, Chris Hardwick finds super 4x4x4 harder (I think he still does) because he can't do all his crazy tricks.

Basically, it's easyer for a beginner to BLD a super 4x4x4. Well, and intermediate and advanced. Unless you're Chris :P

~Thom


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Ah thanks for clearing that up.

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