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What is world class speed for 3x3x3?
<60 seconds 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
<30 seconds 21%  21%  [ 10 ]
<20 seconds 75%  75%  [ 36 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:15 pm 
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What times does everyone consider to be the threshold for world class speed?

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Hi Mike,

Your poll is kind of funny because I draw the line at less than 35 seconds.

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Looking at 2003, top 32 are < 30, top 8 < 20 avg.


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i draw the line at 25 seconds. but according to rubiks.com, speed solving apparently is anything less than 60 seconds...gack!!

my latest average of 10 was 32.12 and i don't think i'm a speed cuber yet. maybe that's cause i look up to lars vanderberg and jessica fridrich and dan harris.


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I think "world class" really does mean under 20 seconds. Think of it this way. With a sub-60 you're probably going to beat almost everybody in your immediate region. With a sub-30 you're going to beat most people in your country. Without a sub-20 you're not going to win a world title.

Not that you have to be able to consistently break the 20 second barrier, but if you can't occasionally dip that low, the odds of you beating these phenoms who frequently dip into the sub-15 range is pretty much nil, which is the level of competition you'll see at aworld championship.

"World Class" is definitely a cuber who is sub-20 capable, especially when under stress of a global event.

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[quote="TheJordanD"
my latest average of 10 was 32.12 and i don't think i'm a speed cuber yet.[/quote]


You most certainly are a speedcuber. Just because you arent the best at it doesn't mean you aren't doing it. You don't have to be able to dunk to be a basketball player. You don't have to win the tour de france to be a bicyclist. You don't have to win the world series of poker to be a poker player (shoot, you can lose every game and still be a poker player).

you may not be world class yet, but you're really close and you're faster than 99.99% of the worlds population, so don't feel like you're nota speed cuber.

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Just a random note

Isn't it interesting how slow the times at the WC 03 look compared to current competition times?...Sub 20 didn't seem possible compared to those times...right now, the fastest are at Sub 14. Perhaps we'll see some sub 11's soom?

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Perhaps we'll see some sub 11's soon?

No way!

(This is just so funny to read...)

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I consider myself very slow at 15.19 best average, and i would not even bother going to a world championship.


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Yah, maybe even sub-18/sub-17 would be world class..
Well, of course sub-20 is already very good :)

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I would say 15/16s averages in comps are world class, mainly because these are the times that competitions are won at, and the likes of the big name cubers get these times.

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I'd pretty much say that sub-17 or even sub-16 is world class, although it's hard to say these days because there are a few people who can get pretty consistent sub-14 times.

On the other hand, sub-20 is still a good milestone. It doesn't make you world-class, but it does signify a certain level of mastery of speedcubing. I'll get there some day.

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I think that world class is under 20 because thats where you have to be to be able to when a compition. Also, the new unofficial world record average for 3x3x3 is 12 seconds. so...yah

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qqwref wrote:
On the other hand, sub-20 is still a good milestone.


I remember when 18 second times won competitions... :(

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Yeah, me too.

Damn, I'd be so fast now if I'd learned Fridrich in '05...

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gamemeister27, the unofficial world record for 3x3x3 is not 12 secs. not even close... ???


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I forget who but somebody got a 2.13 sec solve but it wasn't taped.
the fastest avg I'v seen was a 10.46 sec avg by Harris Chan. the fastest
single solve I'v seen taped was 6.45here

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Katsu has a 5.xx but i don't feel like finding it...anyways Andrew Kang has alot of sub 10 solves at home often!


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The Katsu 5.71 is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbuiPTVueEU

The fastest lucky case, a full real solve with only a PLL skip, is 4.92 by Harris Chan. Thats crazy, 4.92 with only a PLL skip.

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Kyle_A wrote:
Katsu has a 5.xx but i don't feel like finding it...anyways Andrew Kang has alot of sub 10 solves at home often!

Katsu just practises the same scramble over and over, kudos to him for getting 6TPS through the whole solve though.

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average i meant, and its like 11.11 seconds. I was thinking the official, which is 12 some seconds.

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average i meant, and its like 11.11 seconds. I was thinking the official, which is 12 some seconds.


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You could have a 17-move full solve by letting cross and F2L have move cancellations.

Official is sub-12 average, by Yu Jeong-Min.


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You could have a 17-move full solve by letting cross and F2L have move cancellations.

Official is sub-12 average, by Yu Jeong-Min.


I don't think you could, because OLL + PLL is mostly > 17moves.

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I think the shortest legitimate OLL/PLL would be something like FURU'R'F' + FR'FL2F'RFL2F2 = FURU'R2FL2F'RFL2F2 with cancellation (12 moves), so since you can't have a nonlucky 5-move F2L you're not going to have a 17-move solve.

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But even then, you aren't going to spot the cancellations early....

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Well, I'm talking in a sort of fewest-moves context. It would take a lot of training in piece-tracking and lookahead to be able to spot a cancellation like that during a speedsolve.

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