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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:00 am 
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Hey

Recently due to being busy at uni and being wasted, i've adopted a biphasic sleep cycle, I sleep 3 hours at night just before I get up for the morning, and three hours at some point in the day. So far, all is well.

I think 20 mins every four hours is a bit extreme, but I don't currently think monophasic is the way to go.

And that's what's been happening with me recently.

Anyone else tryed this?

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EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep

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From the wikipedia article:

"a sleep pattern intended to reduce sleep time to 12–15 hours daily."

Really? I already sleep much less than that.

"polyphasic sleep was the preferred schedule of ancestors of the human race for thousands of years prior to the adoption of the monophasic schedule."

When did they switch? And how does he know?


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Stefan Pochmann wrote:
From the wikipedia article:

"a sleep pattern intended to reduce sleep time to 12–15 hours daily."

Really? I already sleep much less than that.


The past weeks/months I have been sleeping like that, but that is due to that I have a virus in my lungs (my doctor say I just have to wait for it to leave, start to get bored of it after two and a half month... :()


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When did they switch? And how does he know?

I would also ask why our ancestors adopted a monophasic sleep pattern, if there is a real advantage in using a polyphasic pattern.


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Mike G wrote:
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When did they switch? And how does he know?

I would also ask why our ancestors adopted a monophasic sleep pattern, if there is a real advantage in using a polyphasic pattern.


Actually there have been experiments when people are placed in dark environment without clocks or any other timedevice...
They adopted a sleepingpattern that, if it is called monophasic would have resulted in 40 hour day... I think they were awake for like 24 hours and slept 16...

Maybe the polyphasic past is based on some kind of proof of "ancient siesta" :P


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Haara wrote:
Actually there have been experiments when people are placed in dark environment without clocks or any other timedevice...
They adopted a sleepingpattern that, if it is called monophasic would have resulted in 40 hour day...

Oh... the figure I've seen quoted many times (since the 1970s?) is an average of around 25 hours. The same figure is repeated here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm_sleep_disorders

Maybe everyone is quoting the results of the same early piece of work. The Wikipedia article gives no source for the statement.


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Just from reading the first post, it reminds me of an old episode of Seinfeld.

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Stefan Pochmann wrote:
"a sleep pattern intended to reduce sleep time to 12–15 hours daily."


Uh, it says weekly in the article. It's at about 2 hours daily.

Had a nap today from 1 - 4 pm, felt drowsy afterwards, but I feel good that i won't have to sleep again now until 6 - 9 am :)

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Kirjava wrote:
Stefan Pochmann wrote:
"a sleep pattern intended to reduce sleep time to 12–15 hours daily."
Uh, it says weekly in the article. It's at about 2 hours daily.

It did say "daily" earlier today. Perhaps the writer was feeling tired...


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Mike G wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Stefan Pochmann wrote:
"a sleep pattern intended to reduce sleep time to 12–15 hours daily."
Uh, it says weekly in the article. It's at about 2 hours daily.

It did say "daily" earlier today. Perhaps the writer was feeling tired...
Or it was vandalized.

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Now it says "12–15 hours yearly". And yes, usually I copy quotes so I can't introduce mistakes.


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Stefan Pochmann wrote:
Now it says "12–15 hours yearly". And yes, usually I copy quotes so I can't introduce mistakes.


Ah, fair enough. Weekly is the right quote.

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Hi :)

I can think of why polyphasic sleep may be better than monophasic sleep. One might possible have longer total period of deep sleep that way. (rem sleep) Some say they can benefit from a 10-30 mins nap in the afternoon. For me that's just wasted. I get more aleepy after that actually. Hmmm ..

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I've been trying something like this in past few months. Originally, I was going to do something like 1.5 hour nap in the day, 3 hours at night, but marching band effectively got in the way of my day nap. There's only a few weeks left in the season, however, so I'll be trying again as soon as marching band ends. I'm planning on trying out all-out uberman (6 20 min naps daily, no other sleep) next summer, when I'll have more time to adjust. They say that before you completely adjust, you are going to be quite zombified for the first week or so. There is a Yahoo Group, http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/uberman/ for anyone who is interested.


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I believe it is also called lucid dreaming,I saw it mentioned in an Aphex Twin interview.As to its' efficacy and effects,listen to some some Aphex Twin circa 1995-1998(donkey rhubarb,window licker) as judging from that it probably [Censored. Please be nice!] you up.Another noted adherent was Margeret Thatcher,who also went slightly mad. In times of extreme hypo-mania I have also approached a similar sleep pattern,which left me hearing things and having intrusive thoughts.Please do not try this if you have Bi-polar Disorder or a Schizophrenic type personality disorder,as for the normal people among us it will probably increase your chances of going mad,Harry.


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harry wrote:
I believe it is also called lucid dreaming


Um... no (to the fact, not your belief).


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IIRC, Although siestas often coincide with the hottest hours of the summer day some of the early research on polyphasic sleep had to do with the similarity of the siesta patterns to the natural sleeping patterns of babies.

The often-overlooked idea is to sleep when you're tired, but there is little room in civilisation's schedules for people to do that. Given the opportunity to find out what our own sleeping patterns would be I think that we'd find that there would be variations from individual to individual, as well as variations within individuals.
I would imagine that these latter variations would not only run seasonally, but correspond to changes in activity levels.
That said, there may still be broader patterns that apply generally, and follow a bell curve. For example we really aren't nocturnal, even though our eyes can adapt somewhat to darkness, but a certain percent of individuals would sleep more during the day.

I'm sure there's lots more but I haven't looked into it in detail for a few decades. 8-)

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Sorry,my bad they are different but re-reading the aphex twin interview gives the impression that they are the same thing.As for siestas,they are probably an evolutionary hangover,all large carnivores on the african plains practice them especially lions and African hunting dogs probably due to the fact that during the middle of the day,it is too hot to do anything.The only animals observed to practice polyphasic sleep patterns are dolphins and then only one side of the brain and then the other.


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harry wrote:
The only animals observed to practice polyphasic sleep patterns are dolphins and then only one side of the brain and then the other.


Isn't that due to that they are mamals living in the sea?
I mean if they were to fall asleep with both halfs ot their brain, wouldn't they drown?


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