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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:43 pm 
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ok im selling my Evil twin. but i dont know if it is a Evil Twin cause i forget what they are, so if anyone can tell me if it is that would help out a lot
http://cgi.ebay.com/Evil-Twin-Mini-Rubi ... dZViewItem
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It isn't the exact layout for the extended cubies as a real Evil Twin.

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so what should i change in the ebay post?

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Evil Tripplet! lol

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Rick Mazzante wrote:
so what should i change in the ebay post?


Only change it if you want, it doesn't bother me. You might mention that it is an Evil Twin "variant" or something like that if you feel it's necessary.

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Well, I think we should all try to respect fellow Twisty Forum members. We are considering a case where we all learned about a clever puzzle with a clever name here on this forum. The idea was posted here only because the inventor chose to share it with us. While imitation is a form a flattery, there is something about the use of a friend's clever idea to sell something.

What if I spray painted a junky old cube, and painted the words "Tony Fisher" on it, and I put it on eBay as "Tony Fisher Golden Cube". I would have used a recognizable name to "advertise" a product that is quite different from the puzzle that Twisty Forum members would recognize. It would be offensive to the targets of the "advertising", and insulting to the inventor.

Heaven knows I swiped a lot of fantastic ideas from this forum. I'd like to hear what others think about this topic.


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i dont know, i mean, fishers golden cube is different because he is the only one who knows how to make it. In this case, rick obviously thought that his puzzle actually was an evil twin. It would be strange if he were to sell it by the name of like happy twin or something stupid like that, because it would still be an evil twin no matter what you called it. I don't know if this is making any sense or not, but in my honest opinion, rick was just doing what i think anyone else would do, call a puzzle by its name, whether that person made it up or not. :D


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Moreover, I guess* that the people who are likely to care, are either frequenting here, or searching the web for info about the puzzle, and finding this forum.

This gives that this discussion might be enough to clear any suspision, because if any person doesn't realy car, it isn't that big a deal right?

*Well it is a guess with no real ground, but I have a feeling that there arn't many serious puzzle collectors or similar out there who doesn't have had any contact with this site, if ever so slight as been mentioned somehow by a friend or similar...


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just my two cents...

but as we are all friendly here and don't really care much.... but it's a small oversite that should be done clearly and honestly.

if there ever came to a situation (hoping it doesn't) that legal matters come into play, naming conventions have to be correct. someone can be working on a patent or idea, but because you (not pointing to anyone specific) named it "whatevernameyounameit" someone else can't claim that name because it has been written text wise.... (i don't know how much this forum would constitute in writing, but it does have it in text as well as time stamped). So you can either screw yourself by naming things incorrectly, or someone else can go after you because you have named it incorrectly (you named a puzzle a Tony Fisher cube but it clearly isn't)

I'm not a lawyer (thank god! :P) but have seen way too many things like this cause stupid trouble in the past.

Plus if you have something different and unique, you may as well name it yourself with something original :)

on another note - i don't think anyone could pass of a Tony Fisher original, or at least try to sell it for a premium price today as Tony signs them now :P plus to anyone actually who wants to buy a Tony Fisher puzzle would most likely have done some research to know why his puzzles go for so much! to differentiate them from knock offs.


(sorry, wasn't trying to make Tony Fisher such an example of my 2cents... sorry if I put him on the spot, I honestly wasn't, but as we all know who he is and what he's capable of - it would be an easy case/example)

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I'm just honored that someone would try to build one. It was Tony's idea to combine puzzles and extend them so they look like one puzzle. I just thought it would be neat if one looked like a 3x3x3, and built it. Luckily about that time Cubesmith came along with his wonderful custom logo option and I designed a box for it.

I believe that Rick actually believed that it was a true ET when he auctioned it, the solved state looks the same and it has the same idea to it so I can see how it's easy to get it confused.

If anyone needs info on how to build one, I can probably help.

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Where do the extensions go?


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ok i think reeeech said this about hainv a unique puzzle and naming it whatever you want to name it. i have another unique cube that i think no one has made. it is simple but very fun.it is almost like ryan's Skewed Slice Cube with out the bandaging. but what i need is a name for it when i auction it after the "Unique" ET
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Doh, I was just about to start making that exact puzzle Rick.


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I made that puzzle some months ago! :) I haven't named it yet, though.


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yea see nooooo name lol i need a name for ebay i can't think of one

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Rick Mazzante wrote:
yea see nooooo name lol i need a name for ebay i can't think of one

Taking a closer look at it I think you can call it "Pillar Cube" or someting, since pillars have a "foot" and a "head" (don't know the real words for them) that are wider than the "body" of the pillar. Sure, it aren't as tall opposed to its width as apillar realy is, but the name might work anyway...

Another name could be something like 1/3 Fischer Cube since the middle layer is the same.

Or you could try to come up with a funny abbreviation that is short for what type of puzzle this is, but spell a word on its own.
I can't come up with an example at the momet, but maybe I will later, or somebody else will...


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i like that "pillar cube" cube name thats a good one.

Quater cube. since you have to turn it only a quater of a turn? nah

ummmmm

im going to name it pillar cube

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Rick i made one of those about 2 years ago. the thing was i never posted pictures of it. the reason i never posted pictures of it was because i never got around to stickering it. i since then turned it into a Fisher Cube. Great build. Great minds think alike. as for a name i never got around to it so its up to you to make a name. i was going for something like trick cube


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Yes!!! I thought I can't be the first one to build it because the idea is so simple. That's why I never named it.


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my item has been removed cause of spamming. i know people have had this problem too, can anyone help me on fixing it?

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Rick Mazzante wrote:
my item has been removed cause of spamming. i know people have had this problem too, can anyone help me on fixing it?


It seems that you must avoid words such as "like" and "similar". Do you still remember the title of your auction?
Plus, did anyone ask questions regarding the auction? (if there is interest, i.e. questions, it attracts attention)




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Eventually Mike will sell one again and people will say "hey that's not the layout of a real one"...


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Rick Mazzante wrote:
my item has been removed cause of spamming. i know people have had this problem too, can anyone help me on fixing it?


It seems that you must avoid words such as "like" and "similar". Do you still remember the title of your auction?
Plus, did anyone ask questions regarding the auction? (if there is interest, i.e. questions, it attracts attention)




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the title was something like
Evil Twin rubik type puzzle(Rubix,Rubic,Rubick)
i Think , and their was no questions about it either they just removed it:(

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All of your mentioning of "Rubik's" in the title while it's not actually of a rubik's brand is considered spam. That's in the rules. Personally, I consider the second part of your title "(Rubix,Rubic,Rubick)" spam as well.

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lol ok well what should i make the title be?

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Rick Mazzante wrote:
kastellorizo wrote:
It seems that you must avoid words such as "like" and "similar". Do you still remember the title of your auction?


the title was something like
Evil Twin rubik type puzzle(Rubix,Rubic,Rubick)
i Think , and their was no questions about it either they just removed it:(



so the guilty word was "type" in this case. ;)


I made a search after this happened to me and got some information from the feedback forums:


The 4 primary types of Search Manipulation are:

Keyword Spamming - Keyword spamming is the practice of including brand names or other inappropriate "keywords" in a title or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting users to a
listing. Keyword spamming is unfair to members who may be searching for a specific item and receive search results of listings that are not selling the item. Users often are confused and frustrated by such tactics.
Brand Name Misuse
Do not include any brand names or company logos in your listings other than the specific brand name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item you are listing. Certain uses of brand names may also constitute trademark infringement and could expose sellers to legal
liability.
Comparisons - Sellers are not permitted to compare items in their titles.
Misleading Titles - Make sure your title accurately describes only the actual item or
items you are offering for sale.







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Ok well i can see the (Rubix,rubic,rubick) is spam now. but i see tony fishers puzzle is i think Tony fisher's cubie chaos Rubik Type Puzzle that has type in it lol. but i dont know

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Not all titles like that are caught by eBay staff, but generally speaking Tony Fisher's auction title belongs to the same spam category if it were like that as well. I for myself stopped naming my auctions that way. I do the following:
- Put it in the right category, e.g Rubik's puzzles;
- Puzzle name - dash - twisty puzzle, e.g. Evil Twin - Twisty puzzle;
- In the auction description I mention that the puzzle belongs to the Rubik's cube family. Mention it once, that's enough for it to be found;

As for various common misspellings of the word Rubik's, those who search for this kind of puzzles cover that already. No need to think that people make such mistakes when they search for something they know well.

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Is it spam to ad what it is mad of?

Like this:

Evil Twin - Twisty Puzzle - Made from Rubik's Cube parts

I mean, that is true, right, and it doesn't mention that it is like a Cube, just that it is made from parts of one, just like if you were selling vinyl stickers, you wouldn't be allowed to put the work vinyl there?
Ok lame example, since viyl is a material, and Rubik's is a brand name, but I guess you get my point...


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Hello Rick,

I know, I'm late..
the original title for your auction was:
"Evil Twin Mini(Rubik,Rubix,Rubic Type puzzle)"

I think, the three similar search words "Rubi*" caused the cancellation.

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ok well im going to post it again now and plus the pillar cube and a half truncated cube but all the titles will be: Name of puzzle (Rubik Type Puzzle)
and i will see what happens

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It may or may not be taken down. I've had mine taken down once just because of this Rubik's type puzzle thing.

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Haara wrote:
Is it spam to ad what it is mad of?

Like this:

Evil Twin - Twisty Puzzle - Made from Rubik's Cube parts

I mean, that is true, right, and it doesn't mention that it is like a Cube, just that it is made from parts of one, just like if you were selling vinyl stickers, you wouldn't be allowed to put the work vinyl there?
Ok lame example, since viyl is a material, and Rubik's is a brand name, but I guess you get my point...


Well, in my opinion, adding the words "rubik", "rubic", "rubix" etc, is not a bad thing, since even ebay is confused about using it as a brand name or not.
i.e. ebay doesn't recognise "rubik" as a brand in title descriptions, byt they do"recognise" it as one of their own puzle categories...! :?
The problem arises when people do not know about ebay's specialised puzzle tree category, and the only way to reach such an item, is if it actually includes the words mentioned above.

Now, if you use the words "type", "like", "similar to" etc, then in my humble opinion, you are asking for trouble LOL

Finally, try to use another name, like "evil triplet" (LOL thanks Scott!) or something. It is not fair to Mike to use a name he invented for a specific puzzle unless it is identical to it (and besides, you can still mention any similarities to Mike's puzzle inside the description).

Anyway... good luck with all your auctions! :)




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Aleksey wrote:
As for various common misspellings of the word Rubik's, those who search for this kind of puzzles cover that already. No need to think that people make such mistakes when they search for something they know well.


Actually, many people in different countries *can* make spelling errors of the word "rubik". For example, in Greece, we may use the word "rubic", while in Austria, they may use the word "rubick". Of course, the chances to get a quality buyer are less, but not much less. :)




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Finally, try to use another name, like "evil triplet" (LOL thanks Scott!) or something. It is not fair to Mike to use a name he invented for a specific puzzle unless it is identical to it (and besides, you can still mention any similarities to Mike's puzzle inside the description).


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