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 Post subject: Tony Fisher's All New 4x4x4 Ball
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:49 am 
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Nearly three years ago I revealed my first 4x4x4 Ball ( viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3650 ). It was made simply by cutting down a Master Cube. I was stretching things to the limit and in fact slightly beyond. As I explained in the thread I was far from happy with the quality.
On Saturday 16th Feb 2008 at 1am I finished my new 4x4x4 Ball. It's official name is "Tony Fisher's 4x4x4 Ball (2008)". It has a diameter of 8.5cm / 3.3 inches. Movement is very smooth and I am happy with it's general quality. I have used Skewb style textured stickers and since it is larger than the first one they stay on much better. I am not going into details about how I constructed it but it was done by hand without any fancy rapid prototyping (maybe I'll try that one day). Since I am very happy with it there is a good chance I will make more though please don't ask for one at this time.

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Looks VERY beautiful, Tony!

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awesome, that is a verry cool mod

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It's a Rubik's Grenade!! Watch out, its going to blow!!

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Great job, Tony. I like how it is set up like a a normal 4x4x4, but in a ball shape.

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Very very nice.


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Fantastic. I remember that old thread. I've been there many times before. :P

I'm guessing it's Rubik's and not Eastsheen.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's All New 4x4x4 Ball
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I like that a lot! The sticker variation looks so much smoother and complete.


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I love it. you did it once again!


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's All New 4x4x4 Ball
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Still pumping out new puzzles every week I see. I like this one especially. I've only seen a ball 2x2 (earth) and a ball 3x3, never a 4x4.

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It looks so fun to hold! :D :D :D
Great job!


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joey wrote:
It's a Rubik's Grenade!! Watch out, its going to blow!!

Have you seen the brain racker? Pull out the tile by the key chain and let the puzzle fly! :wink:

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off topic: brain rackers r fun but weird...

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WOW Tony

Good job

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It's absolutely fascinating , because I assume it is a lot of work to create round pieces which are so exact, that they do fit to each other and build a ball finally and not an egg or so..

Thanks also for adding the puzzle already into my Puzzle Lib :P

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Jesse Werner wrote:
joey wrote:
It's a Rubik's Grenade!! Watch out, its going to blow!!

Have you seen the brain racker? Pull out the tile by the key chain and let the puzzle fly! :wink:

Great job!

Off topic but, brain rackers are fun to puzzle with. They actually present much more a challenge then most slide-y puzzles. My method involves solving the top layer, then using a 3 cycle to get the bottom later right.

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Very, very nice!

I can only (just) start to imagine the amount of work that has gone into making the sphere so perfect!

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's All New 4x4x4 Ball
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Thanks,
The sphere is not perfect but certainly ok. Stickers always help to make things look better than what they are.
With my regular job rapidly approaching again I am trying to get as much puzzle making done as possible. I have some big jobs like my Hexaminx project to finish but can't resist starting new stuff as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's All New 4x4x4 Ball
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Tony Fisher wrote:
Thanks,
The sphere is not perfect but certainly ok. Stickers always help to make things look better than what they are.
With my regular job rapidly approaching again I am trying to get as much puzzle making done as possible. I have some big jobs like my Hexaminx project to finish but can't resist starting new stuff as well.


Hi Tony,

Nicely done!

I'm not sure, but I think if you mass produced this it would sell well. Would you consider working directly with a Chinese factory or having Seven Towns or Mefferts make them and market them for you?

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Wow, Tony!
This is absolutely beautiful!
I love the way it turns on the video.
It looks like a big improvement since the first 4x4x4 ball you made.
Well done!
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I love the way you applied sticker on it, really well done, nice puzzle !!!
Congratulation Tony for this wonderful pieces !


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Very nice job, Tony! Thanks for sharing.


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Wow. That looks very professional, as all of your mods do.

When can we expect the 5x5x5 ball? :P

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bcp on pcp wrote:
Jesse Werner wrote:
joey wrote:
It's a Rubik's Grenade!! Watch out, its going to blow!!

Have you seen the brain racker? Pull out the tile by the key chain and let the puzzle fly! :wink:

Great job!

Off topic but, brain rackers are fun to puzzle with. They actually present much more a challenge then most slide-y puzzles. My method involves solving the top layer, then using a 3 cycle to get the bottom later right.



OFF TOPIC ALERT: a get the bottom layer, the top layer, then the middle layers

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This is very impressive considering that you did not mass produce the pieces at all. So how much space does your workspace for puzzles take up these days?

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I have a 4m x 3m shed/room dedicated to puzzle making.
You could say the parts are mini mass produced since I made one whole side by hand and then used those pieces to make moulds. I then cast a full set of new pieces to make the puzzle in the photos. I always approach a new puzzle with a view to make more than just one.

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Great job Tony, as always!! While you say it is not a perfect sphere it looks close enough that no one other than the maker will notice.
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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's All New 4x4x4 Ball
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great mod but what a weird color scheme.

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It's the Skewb colour scheme, not that weird.

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I don't know why I didn't post this when I first saw it. It's great!

Sphere's are pointless shapes though.

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Spheres aren't that pointless, those and doughnuts are the only shapes out there. :wink: I like to confuse people with that argument.

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Pembo wrote:
I like to confuse people with that argument.


Well it worked :D

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what is the skewb material called? how easy is it to work with?


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Pembo wrote:
Spheres aren't that pointless, those and doughnuts are the only shapes out there. :wink: I like to confuse people with that argument.

Topological? Or am I missing something?


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What I really like about this mod is its sphericity despite being scrambled. That's probably the toughest thing to get right without spending excessive Time getting everything perfect. What's more, Tony achieves these results while using hand tools.

I too wonder where one gets the same adhesive sheets as used by Meffert's Puzzles. Hmmmm...

Awesome work as always, Tony.

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Pembo wrote:
Spheres aren't that pointless, those and doughnuts are the only shapes out there. :wink: I like to confuse people with that argument.

Topological? Or am I missing something?

It is indeed. Topologists believe in two 3D shapes, doughnuts and spheres, everything else is just a squashed version of one of those shapes.

Now what shape is the Universe anyone?

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I too wonder where one gets the same adhesive sheets as used by Meffert's Puzzles.


I'm able to buy it at my local art shop. The back of the stickers only says 'd-c-fix'.
I Googled it and I guess it's this "Neon" line: www.tokan.de/d-c-fix-shop/.
Though the colours on that page don't really match. My sheets however are exactly the same as what Meffert uses.

I looked some more and I guess one of these is also the 'right stuff': http://www.devsepet.com

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It is indeed. Topologists believe in two 3D shapes, doughnuts and spheres, everything else is just a squashed version of one of those shapes.

Actually, those are just the first two categories, topologically known as genus. Three common divisions are:
  • Genus zero: A sphere or any similar object that cannot be cut without dividing it in two.
  • Genus one: A doughnut or similar ring-shaped object that can be cut once without dividing it in two.
  • Genus 'two or more' Objects that can be cut two or more times without dividing into two or more parts.

Discussions may include a larger number of specific categories like 'genus three' and 'genus four', but no topological discussion is complete without an 'or more' category because objects of a higher genus cannot be distorted from lower ones. For example, you can't squash a doughnut into a two-handled vase (a textbook example).

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Two or more? That is figure-eights correct?

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Two or more? That is figure-eights correct?


Right. Top of the class!

Here's the Genus 2 illustration from Wikipedia (link)
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So a doughnut could morph into a coffee mug or a headband, but not a vest (genus 2) or T-shirt (genus 3). (Morphing has to be done without breaking or joining any surfaces.)

Topology can help you solve some tavern puzzles (link) by showing that the pieces are merely entangled, but not actually linked in the mathematical sense.


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Can you explain how a vest differs from a T-shirt?

I can't see a way to make a vest from a Genus 2.

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Pembo wrote:
Can you explain how a vest differs from a T-shirt?


I guess a vest has two holes. A t-shirt three.

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I can't see a way to make a vest from a Genus 2.


Sure you can:

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Can you explain how a vest differs from a T-shirt?

I can't see a way to make a vest from a Genus 2.


Oops, language barrier. By vest I meant the article you Brits would call a waistcoat.

British correspondent Alistair Cooke once insisted Americans and Britons don't share a common language, just a common vocabulary. The words are the same, but the meanings are not.

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I thought Britons and Americans were divided by a common language.
Right, I think I'll go and knock up another puzzle.

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I thought knock up meant to go to someone's house to pick them up for a date/outing?

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For a guy, knock up means you got some chick pregnet, for a girl, it means you are going to have to take care of a kid with an immature teenager for a father while still going to school.

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For a guy, knock up means you got some chick pregnet, for a girl, it means you are going to have to take care of a kid with an immature teenager for a father while still going to school.


Well said! VERY well said.


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I meant the British meaning.

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