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that is one heck of a first post! Great job!.

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I can only agree!

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I am intrigued. Well done!

How hard is it to turn the center circles?


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that is definitly another puzzle mefferts should look into.


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Very very nice.

The biggest challenge would be the fact that the core is "blocked" on 'half' of the moves, so matching up all of the centers is a bit harder.

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That is one really cool idea! How did you make it?

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Cool i'm guessing its a mod from a rubik 4x4x4

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Noah wrote:
The biggest challenge would be the fact that the core is "blocked" on 'half' of the moves, so matching up all of the centers is a bit harder.


I'm not so sure that would be a concern. Having one half blocked just makes sure that all the internal grooves are aligned and that doesn't stop the CenterCenters from moving like we would expect them to.


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emr1028 wrote:
that is definitly another puzzle mefferts should look into.

Getting the rights to using the Rubik's Mech will be hard.....?


How have you managed to get the outside section of the centres to stay in?

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Pembo, taking on America wrote:
How have you managed to get the outside section of the centres to stay in?


thats what i dont understand either, care to tell us?
fantastic build.

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Scott Bedard wrote:
Pembo, taking on America wrote:
How have you managed to get the outside section of the centres to stay in?


thats what i dont understand either, care to tell us?
fantastic build.


I'm not sure, but i'm guessing that there is some track that they attack to in the center pieces that are attached to the mechanism.

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The simplest way to make it work would be to make the new cut in the shape of a cone. Everything overlaps the next thing out, so it all holds together.

Ton came close to this design a while back :
http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/newpage11.htm


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TBTTyler wrote:
The simplest way to make it work would be to make the new cut in the shape of a cone. Everything overlaps the next thing out, so it all holds together.

Ton came close to this design a while back :
http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/newpage11.htm


It is close, but the corners are glued together, so it can't turn like a 4x4.

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Wow!
That's one great puzzle!
Very nice and accurate build!
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one of the pictures seems to suggest that the circles on a face will rotate with their corresponding inner slices? is this true? in which case I am even more clueless as to how you pulled it off!

but if that's how it works, then that truly is a 2x2x2 inside a 4x4x4! isn't this like the "supercube" (not the sticker variation) that has been thought of a few times before, that is, putting a 2x2 in a 4x4 or a 3x3 in a 5x5?

wow.

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Jesse Werner wrote:
but the corners are glued together, so it can't turn like a 4x4.


Huh? which corners? I think I see what you're talking about, but I'm not sure how that would keep it from turning like a 4x4.


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Ton's mod was ultimately to have a 2x2x2 with 4x4x4 centers, so the outer layers wouldn't be functional.

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A little bit of history on these kind of cube modifications.

The first modification of a 444 creating an ‘axle’ by rounding the 4 centre pieces of a 444 Master Cube was reported in the article section of this forum, see:
http://twistypuzzles.com/articles/building-2x2x6.shtml
This lead to 224 and 226 puzzles. The latter, however, with cubies of ‘unequal’ dimensions.

Ton’s mentioned proposal is a further development of this, but I believe that Ton hasn’t actually build the proposed puzzle yet.

Another further development was proposed and also made by Tony Fisher. It was published in CFF 65 page 44 (November 2004). By exception (normally articles of CFF are not to be copied; NKC-members can order back-issues), a scan of this article is copied below. It shows that Tony created two additional new puzzles. By means of a second circle at the outside of the puzzle he created a 226 with correctly proportioned cubies. By means of another second circle, a sliding groove mechanism and by modifying several pieces he created a 446 puzzle.

Using these ideas and by creating an additional ‘second’, slightly smaller circular groove underneath the edge parts in a somewhat similar way as was explained by Tony for his 446, I believe that it should be possible to build and hold the pieces as in the beautiful design by Daqing Bao.

Whether or not it was made in such a way, the puzzle by Daqing Bao is amazingly nice.


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首先谢谢各位朋友的回复。

这4*4*4+2*2*2 cube 圆圈内的是2*2*2的变化,圆圈外的是4*4*4的变化。

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我来自中国,不会英文,我很喜欢魔方,特别是魔方的结构,其实我很早就关注这个网站了,这里是魔方爱好者的天堂。

这是我的其它一些作品,请大家欣赏:


http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/dispbbs.asp?board ... 182&page=1

虽然我们语言不通,好在我们的交流用图片就行了。希望有朋友能帮忙翻译一下,谢谢。




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Yeah, after seeing the video I'm even more curious than before! How do you do this?!?

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Wow! Those are some very nice puzzles! Not very many people have managed to make a Master Pyraminx or a SuperX!

(EDIT: at first I mistook the superX for a bevel cube, which I tend to do alot actually...)

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Hey, that 4x4x4 thing is pretty cool. I have no idea how it's done but I feel like I could figure something out if I thought about it.

Is that a 6x6x6 there? How in the world did you make that?

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Welcome to the forums :P (no one had said it yet). Wow. It might be a 2x2 with
the plates of a rubik's 4x4 (the ones on the core) glued on and the circular
centers glued onto that. I don't know if this would work but it's just an idea.

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My rough translation until Kirby shows up:

daqing bao wrote:

First I want to thank everyone for your comments.

This 4*4*4+2*2*2 cube inside the round part moves like a 2*2*2, outside the round part moves like a 4*4*4.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbjEuIE64E

I'm from China, I can't speak English. I really like Rubik's cubes, particularly the structure. I've liked this website for a long time, this is a good place for cube lovers.

These are my other builds, please take a look.

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/dispbbs.asp?board ... 182&page=1

Although we don't speak the same language, we can communicate with pictures. I hope someone can help translate this, thanks.


(duibuqi, haoxiang wo bu hui yong hanzi. ni zenme zuo?)

ninhao! TwistyPuzzles huanying ni.

zhe shi feichang hao, tebie piaoliang. dajia xiang zhidao ni zenme zuo. you meiyou limian de tupian?
ni zhu zai nali? wo zhu zai beijing, hen xiang jianmian ni kan ni de mofang.

(Any idea how to get Chinese characters to work properly?)


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Oh! I think I have an idea in that case.

Take a regular Rubik's 4x4x4 and convert the core itself into a 2x2x2 cube. Then the new (inner) centers are pieces that are permanently connected to the core, and the old (outer) centers are the same pieces with a bunch of plastic removed.

However it's done, it's awesome!

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I'm making a big assumption that those mods aren't totally hand-made.

By the way, chris, your translation is good enough. :P

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Wow, one of the best mods i've seen so far

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:counts cubies:

6x6x6? how does it turn?

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qqwref wrote:
Is that a 6x6x6 there? How in the world did you make that?

It has often been remarked that higher order cubes would not be problematic if the outer layer was allowed to thicker than the inner layers. It is clear that this is what was done in this case.


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um does anybody see the SuperX he made....Wow he put time into building that, plus he didnt even make the parts from a machine....must make one now!

thats amazing good job man! high five!

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ah! so you are the man rubik has talked about!!
he posted some of your mods on a topic a month or so back. all of them are amazing!! beautiful quality and craftsman ship! I love them!!

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chris the cynic wrote:
It has often been remarked that higher order cubes would not be problematic if the outer layer was allowed to thicker than the inner layers. It is clear that this is what was done in this case.

Yeah, that is pretty easy to see. What I was really asking was how you would go about actually fabricating the pieces for a 6x6x6 yourself, especially if you are only making one...

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I can't see any of the pictures on that webpage? All i see is these emblems with rubiks cubes and chinese writings where the pictures should be?


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That is an amazing collection. You should definitly work with eastsheen to have the 6x6 produced. I really want some of the custom cubes produced as well!!!


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emr1028 wrote:
You should definitly work with eastsheen to have the 6x6 produced.

I think we've been through this before... :roll:

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Wow.... Amazing. :shock:


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emr1028 wrote:
You should definitly work with eastsheen to have the 6x6 produced.

I think we've been through this before... :roll:


YES BUT I WONT GIVE UP!!!


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emr1028 wrote:
qqwref wrote:
emr1028 wrote:
You should definitly work with eastsheen to have the 6x6 produced.

I think we've been through this before... :roll:


YES BUT I WONT GIVE UP!!!


why would you want it by eastsheen? we know that EVENTUALLY we will get them from olypicubes and that theyre amazing quality. imagine the eastsheen one. i would rather wait and have the olympicube .

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Will Olympic cubes be made as actual cubes? Id get them round if they arent but Id just rather have cubes

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I'm pretty sure the 6 will be made as a cube ... 7 and higher won't.
I tried the pillowed 7, and believe me you don't really notice it.


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I wish I coud get all of these! I could use the method I solve the 4x4 and 5x5 and itll only take me an hour or so! lol

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chris wrote:
My rough translation until Kirby shows up:

daqing bao wrote:

First I want to thank everyone for your comments.

This 4*4*4+2*2*2 cube inside the round part moves like a 2*2*2, outside the round part moves like a 4*4*4.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbjEuIE64E

I'm from China, I can't speak English. I really like Rubik's cubes, particularly the structure. I've liked this website for a long time, this is a good place for cube lovers.

These are my other builds, please take a look.

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/dispbbs.asp?board ... 182&page=1

Although we don't speak the same language, we can communicate with pictures. I hope someone can help translate this, thanks.


(duibuqi, haoxiang wo bu hui yong hanzi. ni zenme zuo?)

ninhao! TwistyPuzzles huanying ni.

zhe shi feichang hao, tebie piaoliang. dajia xiang zhidao ni zenme zuo. you meiyou limian de tupian?
ni zhu zai nali? wo zhu zai beijing, hen xiang jianmian ni kan ni de mofang.

(Any idea how to get Chinese characters to work properly?)


You need to get launguage tool bar software, i can type it it but i'm not sure if the characters you want will be there. I only knwo a little chinese...

对不起,好像我不会用汉字,你怎么作?
您好!Twisty Puzzles 欢迎。 这是非常好,特别漂亮。大家想知道你怎么作。有没有里面的图片?你住在哪里?我住在北京,很像见面你看你的模仿。

Really Awesome puzzle though i think i get the concept of it:
So imagine the mech of a eastsheen 2x2 wit hthe mech of a rubik 4x4 cut into eight corner pieces and secured onto the mefferts mech, still nto sure how the centers circles work but i think that i can be achieved thru something liek that


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Could somebody please do me a favor and post the pictures from that forum on here, because for some reason my computer cannot format them or something, and all I see is this logo thing for every picture. When I click on them, I download a file of the ASP variety and my computer cannot recognize it. Can anyone help me or post the pictures here?


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You can't post the pictures, for some reason they are only viewable on the website.


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回khjs534:

我住在福建省三明市,欢迎来玩。这4*4*4+2*2*2 cube 的内部是一个2*2*2球形魔方,外观是用Rubik's 4*4*4的。

回 Ryan Thompson:

点击图片,在新窗口弹出一魔方吧LOGO 图片时,URL为:

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/showimg.asp?Board ... 334907.jpg

把URL链接中“showimg.asp?BoardID=22&filename=”替换为“UploadFile/”就可以显示图片。

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/UploadFile/2007-1 ... 334907.jpg


回chris:

谢谢您的翻译。Thanks


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Blackmetalcubist wrote:
why would you want it by eastsheen? we know that EVENTUALLY we will get them from olypicubes and that theyre amazing quality. imagine the eastsheen one. i would rather wait and have the olympicube .

We've been through this before, and I would normally need to argue against you (since I don't agree), but I feel like sparing you guys that.


Back to Daqing Bao's amazing cube transformations, please. Can someone ask - how did he make the Master Pyraminx?

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The master pyraminx is built from a skewb diamond.


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Daqing Bao wrote:
To khjs534:

I live in Fujian Province, Sanming City, China,you're welcome to come。This 4*4*4+2*2*2 cube interior is a 2*2*2 ball,The exterior is a Rubik's 4*4*4。

To Ryan Thompson:

Click on the hyperlink before, in the new window, there will be the mf8 logo,URL:

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/showimg.asp?Board ... 334907.jpg

Take the URL and connect it to “showimg.asp?BoardID=22&filename=” and change to “UploadFile/” in order to see the picture.

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/UploadFile/2007-1 ... 334907.jpg


To chris:

Thanks for your translation.


But I bet chris didn't need me to translate that. :P

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Daqing Bao wrote:
回khjs534:

我住在福建省三明市,欢迎来玩。这4*4*4+2*2*2 cube 的内部是一个2*2*2球形魔方,外观是用Rubik's 4*4*4的。

回 Ryan Thompson:

点击图片,在新窗口弹出一魔方吧LOGO 图片时,URL为:

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/showimg.asp?Board ... 334907.jpg

把URL链接中“showimg.asp?BoardID=22&filename=”替换为“UploadFile/”就可以显示图片。

http://bbs.mf8.com.cn/UploadFile/2007-1 ... 334907.jpg


回chris:

谢谢您的翻译。Thanks


我住在美国。。。芝加哥 =[


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