The third 3D-printing of 2013, over 300 parts!!

We haven't decided the name yet, any idea is welcome~

Cool puzzle! Call it the mixup-minx, perhaps?
And honestly, what's with the red master pentultimate? Looks promising!
EDIT: Due to other's lack of enthusiasm toward my name suggestion Maybe call it: decominx, (jumbominx?) multiminx, co-minx, or decagram?
Oh, and this must be the core of the puzzle:

Like Ben said mixup-minx would probably the mote logic name. What about super-minx? And that one is pretty random but the Omegaminx?

I'd suggest something other than mixup minx, probably call it a "chaosminx" or something due to the mess capably made, and the 36 degree turns, and 36 having some sort of significance with the devil

This looks like a jumbling puzzle. I do not see how it can be unbandaged into a doctrinaire one. Am I right? Or do I hear somebody saying "stored cuts"?

Oskar

I disagree, I don't think this is jumbling, as in I don't think this gets bandaged after a few special turns

It looks like both to me. It's jumbling with stored cuts and I think it would take an infinite number of additional cuts to fully unbandage it.

How about megaminxup.
Then you could have a gigaminxup!
Keeps it in the family so to speak...

Edit: Hope no one saw that, and I can't delete this post now, sorry.

I don't like the mixup-related names, because this really isn't related to mixups. It's an unbandaged (not completely, as it jumbles) Bermuda Minx, but that's hardly a catchy name now is it?

(I'd rather have a mixup minx be something like a master penultimate where the slice can turn in 36 degree increments, or something like that)

I thought so too, but after making a few turns in my head i realized that a corner as an edge piece would need more cuts to allow all moves.
I'm not sure if it jumbles because you could make those cuts and it would be unbandaged as far as I can see. Hmm... good question.

edit: ok still not thought far enough, yes it seems to jumble, much more cuts would be needed.

@Puzzle: I like it could be challanging
Mixup-minx seems to fit as a name

Wow. Right now?
No I don't have a prototype of this concept too. But I must say it is similar to what I am about to post in the next few days.
This has got to be the most difficult puzzle of physical existance I know. I don't think a little chop or even chopasaurus are easier to solve than this. That's because this puzzle can be scrambled in three different ways.
One is to keep it in shape. Like a normal Megaminx.
The second is to scramble it the way that it does change shape but never reaches a state where a turn is blocked. That is achieved by only doing 72° moves at some faces. You can observe this on gelatinbrain's 6.1.2. It's a sphere that does "change shape" as far as cuts are concerned but never blocks anywhere.
A physical version of this puzzle could be scrambled in a way that some faces end up blocked whereas others aren't yet. So that is the third way to scramble it.

I wondered about how to see this already anyway. Cool that it comes up here now. Speaking of 6.1.2 again, the cuts alter and it changes shape so to speak but still no move will ever be blocked. At first I thought it was definetely jumbling, but it is not because nothing will ever get blocked. Again, it could reach states with blocked moves but the applet automatically aplies only 90° moves at some faces at certain points.

This megaminx is only a dodecahedral form of 6.1.2. Although 6.1.2 doesn't have corners. It's spherical and the cuts are made so that it resembles an edges only cube that has the feature of 45° turns.
This megaminx has corners, so I don't exactly know how much that changes the three ways I described above.

EDIT: Oh and now why I find this so difficult. Even if it is scrambled without jumbling moves, only restoring the shape is extreme because normal comutators don't really work. It looks different with every move. Unlike a little chop, where the deep cuts make it very hard to understand but as long as jumbling is not included it behaves regularly. Jumbling moves don't go to far. Only few stages exist. On this special megaminx or 6.1.2 it is really much more crazy.

I have some doubts. This MF8 puzzle jumbles. The current consensus is that Mixup puzzles do not jumble, but they have stored (hidden or visible) cuts.

And on this one the cuts are visible! Oh I get it now haha .

I'm still learning all of the terms for different cuts, geometries, etc for these puzzles, so if I may ask: what is a "stored cut" that you all keep mentioning. I apologize if it is something simple that I'm missing.

Mass-produce! Mass-produce!

I think the -minx suffix is way too overused and more often than not just sounds tacky. Maybe instead the name could be a play on the original Supernova puzzle. Like 'Neutron Star' or something?

Modern-Day Warrior, I think you are on the right track. There is such a thing as a hypernova, which has a nice ring, so that's my two cents.

I think this puzzle is in a similar relation to a magaminx as the Dayan Wheel of wisdom is to a 3x3x3 Cube.
Maybe you can call it Minx of Wisdom or Wisdom-Minx.

Good call! I like Hypernova, especially since this puzzle is obviously more intense than the original Supernova.

I like "Hypernova" and it is much better than my idea, which I spent all afternoon developing: "the Jumbling Face-Turning Dodecahedron". I do want to hopefully point out the nomenclature must leave room for the inevitable higher-order variants. What will the two-layer version be called, the GigaHypernova?

Since the turns are 36 degrees, how about "Thirtysinx"?

...OK, maybe not. That sounded less dumb in my head.

Well, I suppose if we wanted to keep the possibility of a second order version then we could do hypernova alpha. This would leave room for beta, gamma, etc and it kind of fits the theme of naming of celestial bodies.

I would call it a vicious megaminx because we don't see at the first view that edges can be corner and corner can be edges. And what about a pop-corner megaminx ?

How about just megamix?

How large is this puzzle? Compared to a regular megaminx that is?

Chris.

The title says 9cm so I'm pretty sure it's as tall as tony's golden cube.
This looks great. I want one.

"Stored cut" is a term that I think I was the first to use. My first use of it was here. However even though this was a post about definitions I didn't stop to define the term as I didn't really think I was introducing something new at the time. Though if I picked the term up elsewhere I'm not sure where it would have been. Anyways... to me a "stored cut" is any cut between two pieces which can NOT be seperated with a single rotation. A stored cut must be moved into an "active" position before rotations along that cut plane (or surface) are available.

Carl

Yes that is exactly what it is. Each face has all the blue and tan cuts seen in the first 2 pictures of this post. How about "The full Bermuda" or "The Complete Bermuda"? Or maybe the Bermotomized Minx or Bermotomized Nova?

Nice puzzle. The first picture had me fooled. I thought it was going to be a Megaminx with corner turns as well.

Carl

Thank you, that was very informative.

Thanks everybody!
And we hope the name can also contect to this:

Another name for the bermuda islands are somers isles so maybe this could be the somer(s)minx?
And the other picture that was just posted could be the somer(s) cube?
In any case, I want this puzzle.

I'm still pushing for the Hypernova. It's got a ring to it. Simple and straightforward. All the minx variations are making me grind my teeth.

The cube could play off the Hypernova name as well. Say, the Hypercube, which is a nice "supercube" name. The Hyper prefix works well with both puzzles, as they turn just like their normal counterparts along the same axes with double the cuts.

Whirlwind Megaminx?

Ok, I am confused. Will the cubic version be mass produced? Or is it the megaminx version that will be mass produced? Personally, I like the cubic version.

Chris

Both, I think.

-Doug

Well, because we now have a cube and MF8 wants the name to be related I'll give this another go. Looking at each face, it reminds me of the Bohr model of the atom. The S orbital has 2 electrons and the P orbital has 8 electrons. The cube has 8 points on each face so we could try Atomiton P. for the dodecahedron with 10 points we could try Atomiton SP. Again this is my two cents.

Suggestion removed because it wasn't very good.

These puzzles are appealing as a new series and I'm looking forward to trying them.

The problems I have here are:

(1) Hypercube to me implies 4D and this isn't.

(2) Base on the description of the Supernova seen here. I consider it to be a Megaminx with a particular cut depth such that "face layers which meet exactly at the middle of an edge." Not sure if that is the common understanding or not... but if it is then this puzzle is NOT a super version of the Supernova as the cut depth is too shallow.

(3) Seeing as these puzzles are both super sets of the Bermuda Cube and Bermuda Minx series than I think it would be most appropriate that the name reflects that in some way. Granted my initial idea to use the new term "Bermotomized" doesn't sound that great but I do like eye2eye's observation that another name for the Bermuda Islands are Somers Isles.

Anyone know the history as to why the name Bermuda was chosen for the original series in the first place? That may spark some ideas if it were understood. Short of that here are a few other observations:

The Bermuda Triangle is also known as the Devil's Triangle. So there is another potential name substitution.

And along the lines of trying to find a super set that includes Bermuda:
Bermuda is one of 14 British Overseas Territories.
Bermuda is an example of a Archipelago.
Bermuda is in the North Atlantic Ocean near the western edge of the Sargasso Sea.

Maybe this will spark some ideas. At the moment I'm thinking Devil Cube and Devil Minx...

Carl

P.S. Has anyone sketched up a drawing to see what this idea applied to a face-turn tetrahedron or octahedron, which allowed 60 degree face turns, would look like?

P.S.S. Just noticed the word Devil is already present in the above posts:
That and this comment:Make me think Devil Cube and Devil Minx may be quite appropriate.

I would personally like to see the cube produced first, although I love the idea of both puzzles. Just aesthetic preference.


Orly? I had no idea. That would be like saying the original Supernova puzzle implies an enormous stellar explosion, which it obviously isn't, which renders such a name invalid. I don't think naming something a Hypercube necessarily implies 4th dimensionality. I don't expect mf8 to be that advanced.

As I explained, to me a puzzle being named Hypercube would imply that it in some way is more advanced than a conventional cube. One could categorize Oskar's Mixup Cube as a "hypercube," as it takes the conventional Rubik's cube and gives it additional, but logical, cuts, while maintaining the same functionality as the original.


Shallower cuts doesn't make it an entirely different puzzle. It would be if deeper cuts created additional pieces and changed the function, such as the Pyraminx Crystal, Starminx, and so forth... The Supernova and the Megaminx are functionally and mechanically speaking the exact same puzzle, with the exact same pieces. And in that case, the same reason applies as I mentioned in your first point, that the "Hyper" designation works well to indicate both additional and traditional cuts.



If you think they share both the functionality of the original puzzles and the Bermuda series combined, then it just illustrates my "Hyper" point all the more. But I wouldn't really consider these puzzles an offshoot of the Bermuda series. The Bermuda puzzles were really only a kind of bandaged series. Corners and edges couldn't actually be interchanged. The Bermudas still functionally behaved the exact same way as a Rubik's cube. Just because certain pieces had to be rotated into place to move them doesn't make it all that similar to these puzzles, although I see the perceived relationship. Also there was no Minx *shudders* series besides a normal megaminx that Traiphum had modded, as far as I know.

HyperCube and HyperNova. Just think about how nice those sound together. No awkward association after association after association until the name has nothing to do with the actual puzzle. To me, these are the most attractively marketable names. Short. Simple. Direct. The Rubik's Void is named for the emptiness in the center. The Bump Cube is named for the offset mechanism. Things that are named for their immediate relationship with the actual appearance or characteristic of the puzzle. The HyperCube and Nova are named for their crazy extra cuts. And good God, if we have to beat a dead horse with something, I suppose it could be Hyperminx if it had to be...

Concerning my "Minx" griping, I'd like to see a little more creativity in puzzle names, which is why I don't like the -minx suffix so much. Yes, sometimes it is applicable and I actually like it. The megaminx series like gigaminx, tetraminx, Tony Fisher's Hexaminx, the Pyraminx, etc... I don't mind when it's used when it actually sounds good as a whole. Yes, it has become synonymous with twistypuzzles, but all too often a new puzzle comes along and it's automatically named: Something-with-a-really-obscure-association-because-it-kind-of-looks-similar-MINX!!! What happened to short and sweet names that had no association with anything but still sounded really cool? Like Aleh's Brilic or the Dogic?

Dante's cube & Dante's Dodecahedron.

First circle of Hell is the standard puzzle variant.
But if you are a really naughty boy and turn things in more and more bad ways, then you enter the inner circles of Hell.
Then we all wish we hadn't and hope for someone called Beatrice to guide us out.

(I think I have been allegorical enough for one day now!)

Virgil, actually. Unless you're a game developer and think Dante was a crusading knight...

Well I am a games developer, but I was not referring to the Visceral game of 2010, but to Dante Aleghieri's Divine Comedy which is the definitive wiki on what Hell looks like from a town planning perspective.

Haha, I know. That's why I said Virgil. He's the one that leads Dante through Hell. Beatrice leads him through Heaven.

Well I do like this idea!
But what will the tetrahedron, octahedron and isocahedron version be named?
Of course they do not exist currently.



Well I think it's just because when you take a look at the burmuda cube, you'll see a big triangle. And as the series is a kind of "mystery", it's named after"Burmuda".

I'm pretty sure the tetrahedral version of this puzzle would be more or less equivalent of polymakers Split Jings Pyraminx, possibly shallower cut.
http://www.twistypuzzles.com/forum/view ... 15&t=23841

Thank you for pointing out that! I didn't notice it before!

I would like to point out a couple things (sorry if I quoted the wrong way).


Orly? I had no idea. That would be like saying the original Supernova puzzle implies an enormous stellar explosion, which it obviously isn't, which renders such a name invalid.[/quote]

Now the base assumption from my understanding is that "Supernova" was a good puzzle name. Adding super to any puzzle, to me, means that there is exactly one solved state with every piece in its exact orientation. The original Supernova is not a super megaminx, it is a megaminx with a different name. With that being said, should it matter that we have the word "Hyper" named on a physical puzzle?

But in a sense I do agree with wwwmwww, Hyper does imply 4D to a lot (if not all) of us in the puzzling community and we must think that anyone buying this kind of puzzle must surely know about 4D puzzles. But for that very reason, we know that no one could possibly get confused thinking they are going to buy a 4D puzzle . In the end, I think we should reserve hyper for 4D puzzles like we should reserve super. After all, if I buy a super cube, I would be disappointed if it was just a regular cube with a cape attached.



You have a good point, I was only naming them based off what the polygon face looked like and not the actual polyhedron. So this isn't very creative but the number of faces represent an element, tetrahedron would be Atomiton Be for Beryllium and so on and so forth. Just throwing it out there.

It looks to me like the main feature here is that faces can be turned half the normal amount. There are some nice prefixes for "half"

I like this:
DemiMinx and DemiCube

Some others:
HemiMinx and HemiCube
SemiMinx and SemiCube
HalfMinx and HalfCube