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 Post subject: Re: Bauhinia Dodecahedron now available at mf8
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:52 am 
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As Promised, a late video.

Thanks for the video! Has the puzzle been lubricated?

One thing, in the video you don't jumble it, and you said why, but I couldn't understand it. Is it because you don't know how to jumble it or because it is not possible?


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None of my puzzles are lubricated. No this one hasn't been I don't think. I didn't jumble it because I didn't have time to solve it today. I had to go work to make more money for more puzzles. Yes, it jumbles. Check my blog tomorrow morning. (around 2 pm TP time) I've added one photo of a jumbled move.

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This looks like a dodecahedral rex cube to me.


It's a dodecahedral rex cube. But the solving is suppose to be quite different from the rex cube :wink: .

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Let me help Rox a little. Just want to show the Jumbling move.

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Just received my Bauhinia Dodecahedron and stickered it:
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The turning is a bit stiff but that is to be expected. It sure is a beauty!

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Gus wrote:
Just received my Bauhinia Dodecahedron and stickered it:
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The turning is a bit stiff but that is to be expected. It sure is a beauty!

Gus, would you mind posting a few jumbling photos of it?

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Gus, would you mind posting a few jumbling photos of it?
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Gus wrote:
Doug Roth wrote:
Gus, would you mind posting a few jumbling photos of it?
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Wow, that is really cool. Hopefully mine will come in the next few days.

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[Moderator: I have merged the two threads Rex/Bauhinia Dodecahedron at this point.]

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 Post subject: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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Received mine today. Stickered it. Lost an hour of my life :lol:

Video here: http://youtu.be/e5e0Pki37yQ

And now, if anyone has ideas about how to loosen some screws to adjust the tension, I'd appreciate knowing.

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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I take it moves about as good as their face turning starminx. Has anyone been brave enoug to take one apart?
I suspect it has a mech somewhat similar to the starminx. I might be totally wrong, but seing their innovative gem design series, this mech could actually be based off a megaminx :)

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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I take it moves about as good as their face turning starminx. Has anyone been brave enoug to take one apart?
I suspect it has a mech somewhat similar to the starminx. I might be totally wrong, but seing their innovative gem design series, this mech could actually be based off a megaminx :)

Well having played with it a bit now, it is still fairly stiff. I've lubed it but it's difficult to get the lube right into the core so I think it's just close to the surface. I suspect also the tension could be loosened but I can't see how. The center caps don't seem to want to come off. I'm not sure I'd say there's catching, but it does have to be aligned very well to turn. And no, I haven't been brave enough to take it apart.

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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I take it appart when I get it. There are screws under the center pieces. You need to do a "50% move" and push on one petal to remove it. Now you can get all pieces off.

The mechanism of this puzzle is pretty interesting, and it's not too hard to reassemble.

Mine has the inner pieces lubrified. It cames from MF8 shop.


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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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Do the dimensions of the pieces make it possible to unbandage the petal shapes? Maybe someone could upload an unbandaged piece set to Shapeways or something.


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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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I've tried to unbandage one. It's not an easy task, certainly too difficult for me.

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Yesterday, I have received the Bauhinia Dodecahedron, today I had the time to sticker it.
I share the view of others expressed above: Very nice, very stable, a bit stiff (I have not used any lubrication so far, the puzzle has not been broken in).This was to be expected for such a complex puzzle.
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Mf8 uses the same sticker material and the same colours as for earlier Dodecahedra.
It has the identical size as the Helicopter Dodecahedron.
The Bauhinia weighs 310 g, the Helicopter is 326g (As precisely measured as a kitchen scales can do it.)

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For those with a very good memory :wink: : I know, I wrote a while ago in the 2x3x4 thread
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As a man of principles, I'll never again buy a mf8 puzzles, if I do not get an understandable explanation, why different culture and experiences have lead to an most unexpected puzzle.
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I have not given up the hope, that somebody with a communication channel to Mr. mf8 can persuade him to give an explanation about this language / culture difference. In any case, I have forgiven Mr. Mf8 and wrote later on:
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This is a good thread and I want to join it with saying: Thank you Mr. mf8 for many great puzzles. :)

People who remember my posts know that I usually defend the puzzle designers rather than I would complainin about problems.
I was probably lucky in many cases, e.g. in the case of the 3x4x5 and the Petaminx. (I agree with Roxanne that it was probably more a problem of the packaging.)

In the case of the 2x3x4 I did not blame mf8 for making the decision, he has made.
I still hope that somebody who has a good communication to mf8 can persuade mf8 to give an explanation, why he says that his puzzle defines the true fully functional 2x3x4 (which means that Tony Fisher has made something different). In my opinion, the "repaired" 2x3x4 is a GREAT little puzzle!

But this is not the day of criticism, it is the day of saying Thank you! :D :D :D
Thank you, too, for this beautiful new puzzle!

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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Your pics are broken, Konrad... I can't see them.


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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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I hope, it is OK now?
I wanted the background to melt with the forum background and it was not 100% in the first place.
Probably, during my repair action the links were broken.
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Received mine today. Stickered it. Lost an hour of my life :lol: ....
An hour, really? 18.75 sec / sticker! Wow! Did you use the application sheet?
I never use it and my stickering took much longer. I enjoyed it, though. Nobody should be especially afraid of it.
In my opinion, it is the same as stickering the Helicopter Dodecahedron.
My last stickering project was this:
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If you are ever ready for a stickering challenge, I can recommend Greg's Mini Master Pentultimate. And if you want to add something to this, wait until you are 66 :lol:

And you say you lost one hour? I'm afraid we shall lose many hours until we have solved this beast. :lol: 162 pieces! :roll:

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The pictures work now, thanks. :D


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An hour, really? 18.75 sec / sticker! Wow! Did you use the application sheet?
I never use it and my stickering took much longer. I enjoyed it, though. Nobody should be especially afraid of it.

Yes, an hour. I didn't use the application sheet. I got some tweezers. Probably the longest parts of the process are positioning the sticker into place. But once you get into a rhythm it goes quicker. I wouldn't say I enjoyed doing it, but I definitely enjoyed the final product.

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And you say you lost one hour? I'm afraid we shall lose many hours until we have solved this beast. :lol: 162 pieces! :roll:

So Konrad, I take it by this that you're saying it will be quite a challenging solve? Will you be using commutators for most things?

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...So Konrad, I take it by this that you're saying it will be quite a challenging solve? Will you be using commutators for most things?
Yes to both questions (probably more tedious than really hard, but very easy to screw it up), but, please [my moderator self is watching me :lol: ], not more about solving in this thread. :) When the time comes, we can start a topic in the Solving Forum.

[Moderator Konrad: We have now a new topic in the Solving Forum here
Please, be aware that this topic is pretty close to a complete spoiler :wink: ]

EDIT: I have lubricated the puzzle and started to break it in.
Two of the tiny triangles came off after a few turns.
I think it is better to start with lubrication and breaking in and do the stickering afterwards (after a careful cleaning of the surface).
Now, I'll use tiny drops of superglue to fix the little triangles.

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I take pictures of my disassembled Bauhinia Dodecahedron.
Enjoy :D

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Wow! Those are great pics! Can you give some idea as to which pieces to pull on to start the disassembly? Was it difficult to put back together?

Mine arrived today - it seems very very stiff. Should I disassemble it and lube the core? What about tensions? Is it worth loosening any of the screws? It would be good to do all that before stickering!

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Wow! Those are great pics! Can you give some idea as to which pieces to pull on to start the disassembly? Was it difficult to put back together?

Mine arrived today - it seems very very stiff. Should I disassemble it and lube the core? What about tensions? Is it worth loosening any of the screws? It would be good to do all that before stickering!

Disassembly is simple. just get a knife or something and lever out one of the petals. From there, you can quickly do a whole face. If you need to get deep down, unscrew one or more of the screws and the edges will come out.

I found that despite copious amount of lube, the turning is still not great. :( This is my only disappointment with the puzzle.

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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Hi all

Just wondering about anyone else's experiences with regard to turning, lubing, catching, etc. The last thing I want to be here is critical. I'm going to assume I haven't lubed it properly. I am experiencing some catching and popping occasionally. It's a little frustrating since I absolutely love the solve/challenge of this puzzle. Has anyone else had success in lubing and making the puzzle turn really well? If so, where exactly did you lube it? Did you need to adjust screw tensions? And would a cathing/popping be more likely to indicate tension too tight or too loose?

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Just wondering about anyone else's experiences with regard to turning, lubing, catching, etc. The last thing I want to be here is critical. I'm going to assume I haven't lubed it properly.

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Well, don't do what I have just done! :evil:
I was trying to improve the turning before the dreaded stickering! I initially just turned and then lubed the internal edges that were revealed over the whole puzzle. This had absolutely no effect whatsoever! So I carried on turning, had a bit of a catch and POW! A rather large explosion with small pieces being chased around the kitchen by 3 cats with me zooming around on all 4s after them - this is not good as I am a 45 year old bloke!!

Whilst it was "open" I lubed inside and reassembled. Again, this had absolutely no good effect!

Next step!
I know! I know! I'm not very bright! :cry:
I have some spray silicone lubricant that I use in locks and sprayed some in from both ends! I now have a puzzle which smells quite nice but is now too slippery to hold and certainly unstickerable! AND still turns like hell!

I'm going to have to completely dismantle it to dry it out and may just try a very small loosening of all the screws!
Does everyone think that a 1/4 turn each should be enough or should I try some more?

This is turning into a bit of a farce! It looks good, smells good but I can't use it!!

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OK I don't have one but I have disassembled and reassembled many a cube, rex included and also curvy copter and such.

Has anyone tried to open it up all the way to and including the core and building it back up from scratch and lubing as one goes?

My rex was eek out of the box, however when I got down inside the belly of the little beast and lubed those parts proper things were looking up for me again.

I DO have to say that I have always had problems with mf8 products, catching and locking and such, many times mold blobs on the cores and such that I had to take a knife to to get off... hence also my tip to take it all the way apart.. but yeah.. one has to have dare devil shoes for that one with this puzzle, I sure understand!

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OK I don't have one but I have disassembled and reassembled many a cube, rex included and also curvy copter and such.

Has anyone tried to open it up all the way to and including the core and building it back up from scratch and lubing as one goes?

My rex was eek out of the box, however when I got down inside the belly of the little beast and lubed those parts proper things were looking up for me again.

I DO have to say that I have always had problems with mf8 products, catching and locking and such, many times mold blobs on the cores and such that I had to take a knife to to get off... hence also my tip to take it all the way apart.. but yeah.. one has to have dare devil shoes for that one with this puzzle, I sure understand!

I'm quite willing to do this, but I need to know exactly where you ended up lubing it. And you said "things are looking up". Does that mean that after lubing it you noticed a major difference in turning, or just a minor difference?

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I take them fully apart and apply Crazybadcuber's lubricate a zhanchi method (youtube) for the core, and then I look at what pieces rub together where and apply lube at that spot for the pieces themselves.

I use traxxas 50k for the core and just a wee bit of 10k for the pieces.

Looks like the bauhinia is the same kind of inner system, just more stems to the core.

For the mf8 cubes that I have I also took a nailfile and removed the mold thingies that were hanging off them, and I had to actually take the dremel to the core of the megaminx, a blob on top of one stem was that bad, but that cube is running smoothly now as well where it was super catchy before.


Oh.. on the looking up part.. every single puzzle I have gotten in turned much better with lube. Some improved more than others but worth it.. always.

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Kattenvriendin wrote:
I take them fully apart and apply Crazybadcuber's lubricate a zhanchi method (youtube) for the core, and then I look at what pieces rub together where and apply lube at that spot for the pieces themselves.

I use traxxas 50k for the core and just a wee bit of 10k for the pieces.

Looks like the bauhinia is the same kind of inner system, just more stems to the core.

For the mf8 cubes that I have I also took a nailfile and removed the mold thingies that were hanging off them, and I had to actually take the dremel to the core of the megaminx, a blob on top of one stem was that bad, but that cube is running smoothly now as well where it was super catchy before.


Oh.. on the looking up part.. every single puzzle I have gotten in turned much better with lube. Some improved more than others but worth it.. always.

Right. Thanks for your response. So have you actually done all this to the bauhinia? Or just planning to?

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No I haven't. As I said I don't have one, but if I were to get one it would get that very treatment, yes. :)

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Hello everyone,

I was just curious if anyone has purchased this through mf8's shop, or has everyone just bought it from the hknowstore? I'd like to order the milk yellow version from mf8, but I'm not sure how long their shipping takes or if there are any other problems that might be involved.

The puzzle looks beautiful! Really can't wait to get my hands on one :D

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While breaking it in I got a bloody thumbnail :-)
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My MF8 Bauhinia was really stiff and catchy out of the box. I completely disassembled the puzzle, removed flash and polished rough parts on edges, used lots of silicone oil on contact points and reassembled. For those who don't want to completely disassemble the puzzle, I think that removing the petals and loosening one screw until you can open enough of a gap to get lubricant into the track between the rotating pieces will go a long way to improve turning.

ETA: The little triangles were still catching. I noticed that most of them had a rough, pointy remainder of sprue on the front curve of the large "foot". I took out the triangles (all 60) and processed each one: I removed the sprue with a few swipes on 600 grit sandpaper and then I burnished the sanded area on newspaper. I tightened all the screws fully and reassembled. The process took about 50 minutes. Turning now is very close to excellent and there is no catching of the small triangles. I'm going to sticker it tomorrow and call it ready.

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Poor out of the box turning aside, I like the MF8 Bauhinia and I appreciate the chance to solve such a complex puzzle.

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Worth repeating. I've snagged my thumbnail a few times. :shock: "How did you hurt yourself"... "Puzzle Injury" 8-) .

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:50 pm 
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I got mine the other day.
I doused it in Maru lube, and worked that in for a day.
Then I stickered it.
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Here it is with it's younger brother.
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And scrambled...
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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:40 am 
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Hi guys,
my first icosahedron puzzle, the bauhinia dodecahedron :lol: arrived today. OmG , so much pieces. I disassembled it, and I will sand the pieces, lubricate clean and sticker it. I hope, I hope i get ready this year. My Rainbow Nautilus arrived, too.

Did you clean the pieces after sanding ?


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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:37 am 
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Andrea wrote:
Hi guys,
my first icosahedron puzzle, the bauhinia dodecahedron :lol: arrived today. OmG , so much pieces. I disassembled it, and I will sand the pieces, lubricate clean and sticker it. I hope, I hope i get ready this year. My Rainbow Nautilus arrived, too.

Did you clean the pieces after sanding ?


How exactly is this icosahedral ? :P

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:59 am 
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RubixFreakGreg wrote:
How exactly is this icosahedral ?

It's similar to a face turning icosahedron. The Rex cube is similar to a FTO.
The geometric shape is dodecahedral. The 20 corners are the faces of an icosahedron, I think.
Is it correct ?
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The Rex Dodecahedron jumbles because it has icosahedral geometry.


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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:10 am 
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Puzzlemad wrote:
rline wrote:
Just wondering about anyone else's experiences with regard to turning, lubing, catching, etc. The last thing I want to be here is critical. I'm going to assume I haven't lubed it properly.

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Well, don't do what I have just done! :evil:
I was trying to improve the turning before the dreaded stickering! I initially just turned and then lubed the internal edges that were revealed over the whole puzzle. This had absolutely no effect whatsoever! So I carried on turning, had a bit of a catch and POW! A rather large explosion with small pieces being chased around the kitchen by 3 cats with me zooming around on all 4s after them - this is not good as I am a 45 year old bloke!!

Whilst it was "open" I lubed inside and reassembled. Again, this had absolutely no good effect!

Next step!
I know! I know! I'm not very bright! :cry:
I have some spray silicone lubricant that I use in locks and sprayed some in from both ends! I now have a puzzle which smells quite nice but is now too slippery to hold and certainly unstickerable! AND still turns like hell!

I'm going to have to completely dismantle it to dry it out and may just try a very small loosening of all the screws!
Does everyone think that a 1/4 turn each should be enough or should I try some more?

This is turning into a bit of a farce! It looks good, smells good but I can't use it!!

the biggest reason I don't bother with lube. If it's functional, that's good enough for me.

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 Post subject: Re: mf8 Rex Dodecahedron = Bauhinia Dodecahedron
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Does anyone know if the white version will be available on hknowstore?


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