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 Post subject: Flower Copter
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:14 pm 
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Hello, everyone

I introduced my first design "Flower Copter"

I hope you will like it

Thank you everyone

※A few weeks later, "Flower Copter" can be obtained in my Shapeways

『A few weeks later』-->I print it out to make sure it can work, then everyone can get the puzzle in
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※The following is an analog picture, late on the photos and videos will be added


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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Wow, just wow, if this works, congratulations on a great deaign !

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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OH my God! Edge Turning & Corner Turning at the same time!? Amazing puzzle! Seems 20 axis?

OH I got to say this puzzle is very.......

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Wow!


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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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That looks chaotic. And gorgeous.
Really awesome and original.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Fantastic puzzle ... if it works! I thought that it was frowned on to post these sort of things in New Puzzles before you had prototyped them?

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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A beautiful puzzle indeed!

I have always loved hybrid puzzles. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:32 pm 
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The above picture comes from my 3D graphics file

I completed my design using Solidworks

Possibility of rotation in the software simulation is possible

The simulation software is not good enough, they still need to determine the possibility of real product

I can not wait to share with you my happiness ~~~^^"

Sorry to everyone in the rush to publish my thoughts


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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Hi arvinshu,

It looks very interesting and beautifull. Perhaps it is hard to solve.
Had you solved it with simulator ?
Does the puzzle jumble ?
The intersection of two different turns has many pieces.

Do you have a prototype ?

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Andrea wrote:

It looks very interesting and beautifull. Perhaps it is hard to solve.
Had you solved it with simulator ?
Does the puzzle jumble ?
The intersection of two different turns has many pieces.

Do you have a prototype ?



1.no~~^^"~~ I finished it yesterday.

2.Jumble like helicopter cube is possible, I would like to have a prototype to understand the actual jumble

3.I expect to be a prototype (Hope it can work)


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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:42 pm 
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Hmm... I notice the model has tiles on it. Will you print tiles as well, like io did for his Pentultimate? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Hmm... I notice the model has tiles on it. Will you print tiles as well, like io did for his Pentultimate? :D


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I am considering to use stickers or tiles ~ ~ ~

Maybe you can give me some advice ~ ~ ~

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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I'd suggest going with a puzzle dyed black with stickers, but that's my preference.


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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Awesome puzzle! It looks beautiful! I would suggest stickers also.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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arvinshu wrote:
GoombaGeek wrote:
Hmm... I notice the model has tiles on it. Will you print tiles as well, like io did for his Pentultimate? :D


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I am considering to use stickers or tiles ~ ~ ~

Maybe you can give me some advice ~ ~ ~

Thank you

I'm no puzzle designer, but io made a separate file with tiles, and then printed it. Yours already seems to have tiles, so I'd just subtract the actual puzzle from the file and print just the tiles in white plastic. You could then dye them the colours you want and glue them on.

That's just speculation, though, I have no idea if it would work. I hope it would, though, because apparently stickers don't stick too well to WSF/BSF, so tiles would be excellent!

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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The pentultimate's tiles were not printed; rather, they were machined out of acrylic. (see here)
I would say go with stickers. They stick fine if you use decent vinyl, and you can always glue them down if they are too small to stick.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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I would say go for a black puzzle with stickers (classic look).
It looks like your stickers are quite thin, but thats ok as there are found several ways to keep small stickers down.
I would not recommend using super glue simply because its hard to get the right amount of glue and some will run out on to the edge of the piece and making it look inconsistant.
I would rather use Greg's ironing method (basically ironing the puzzle after the stickers have been applied for very short time (about 5 seconds a sticker).
Or you can use what I call the "Lighter Method" which is a little risky, but works just as good as the ironing method.

About the puzzle. I really like it! Just the other day I thought to myself, hmm how about about a hybrid of edge turning and cornerturning cube? I was thinking along the lines on regular helicopter + dino cube, but I really like this one too! Curvy and shallow dino cuts, so Curvy Copter + Curvy Compy Cube! Nice! I cant wait to see how it turns out :)

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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I didn't see any reply to the question about jumbling. It should jumble when using solely curvy copter turns, and no corner turns - unless there are some internal mechanism issues i cannot see. Maybe it even has "non-expected" jumbling turns. If this is going to be mass produced it's a MUST HAVE!! :P

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Awesome puzzle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Oh, by the way. I didn't say it's a lovely puzzle. Why not simply name it rex curvy copter?? Then many will know what it is just from its name. A combination of rex cube and curvy copter :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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perfredlund wrote:
A combination of rex cube and curvy copter :wink:
No, it's not that. The corner-turning cuts are way too shallow for it to be a Rex Cube. It's closer to a curvy Chompy Cube.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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amazing design. 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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TomZ wrote:
perfredlund wrote:
A combination of rex cube and curvy copter :wink:
No, it's not that. The corner-turning cuts are way too shallow for it to be a Rex Cube. It's closer to a curvy Chompy Cube.


Don't you mean Compy?
This puzzle looks really nice. As for the name, Compy Copter has a nice ring to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Edge/Corner Turning Cube... ECT-O-CUBE!

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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I'm just interested to see how you managed to make it work that the corners (centers of the rex turns) can be moved with the helicopter moves. I'm guessing they float above a hidden center for the corner turns.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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I have mixed feelings about this, I worked on this for 2 years without success so I'm happy about this, but mad because I was beaten to it!

oh well, I hope it works out well!

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I think you just broke the universe, Oskar will be mad
that's his job

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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awesome!
Really great puzzle!

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Absolutely phenomenal! All the more impressive is that this appears to be your first design printed. A truly brilliant puzzle; my favourite puzzle of the month. :)

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Very impressive.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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It looks extremely interesting. I love the cut pattern and the way those petal-shaped pieces are oriented in the last photo. I'm looking forward to seeing video of this masterpiece.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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YES it actaully works. Good job.
But really, how can it allow new jumbling patterns? Are you sure you didn't "force" illegal turns and just didn't notice because the force required is really small due to the complex design?
I can't understand how it's able to do that.
Anyway it's great.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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Beautiful puzzle. Eager to see the video.

Keep up the great work,
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Hope to have this one mass-produced......at least on shapeway pls :D


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Beautiful, this is a must have for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Flower Copter
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I wonder if its possible to solve this puzzle to a state where all the flower petals (the small pieces) have been swapped with those from the opposite side and restored to the solved shape (cubic). That would be one pretty patern and I'd LOVE to see it.

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Thought of another patern I'd love to see on this puzzle and didn't want to make a new post.

Can all the petals be flipped from their solved position such that each side is solved color wise yet the petals form a sort of pyramid in the center of each face?

Again this is such a pretty puzzle and I can imagine so many pretty paterns which I think may be possible.
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I too would like to see this reach mass production and I'm very happy there are plans to put it on Shapeways.

THANKS!!
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What a beautiful puzzle! Amazing work for your first design!

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I just.... how...?

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No offense intended, but if that thing turns really well; I will buy a hat and eat it. :lol:

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Very very cool. The slender pieces that are flipped in their spots come about from the helicopter cube jumbling, the corner turns don't really add any jumbling directly I don't believe. The last picture of the physical puzzle I hope shows what I mean.


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Wow, this may be my first shapeways purchase. Well done! :D

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Wow! I love how it "thorns" with the petal pieces.


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Amazing design. I drew this on paper today and I want to ask, the thorns do jumble between edge and corner twists, right? it looks like it works on paper but I don't know if the actual geometries will pan out.

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Wow! I love how it "thorns" with the petal pieces.
Wow!!! I too immediatly thought of the thorns on my thorny cube once I saw what those petal pieces could do. I think I'd be tempted to name this the Rose Cube if it were my puzzle. Its got the flower AND the thorns.

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Wow, nice :D ! Great work!

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I think we would all love to see a video :) From the pictures it looks fantastic! I might have to pick one up at some point.


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wwwmwww wrote:
I wonder if its possible to solve this puzzle to a state where all the flower petals (the small pieces) have been swapped with those from the opposite side and restored to the solved shape (cubic).

I'm sure it's possible.
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Can all the petals be flipped from their solved position such that each side is solved color wise yet the petals form a sort of pyramid in the center of each face?

I think it's possilbe, but I need to watch the video to confirm.

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Incredible and absolutely beautiful :D

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Chilen wrote:
wwwmwww wrote:
I wonder if its possible to solve this puzzle to a state where all the flower petals (the small pieces) have been swapped with those from the opposite side and restored to the solved shape (cubic).

I'm sure it's possible.

It is:
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The petals are in two chiral orbits but each orbit has 4 pieces of each color and because of the duplicate colors you can achieve apparent odd permutations. This allows for arbitrary patterns.

Does this puzzle answer "Can jumbling ever violate chirality?"

In the picture with the petals jutting out:
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Have some of those petals been moved to their chiral partner's orbit?

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