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 Post subject: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:11 pm 
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When I saw this thread I decided I couldn't wait for the mass production version, so I made one for myself.

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Unfortunately Shapeways messed up my order and missed off my sticker template, so it is unstickered.

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It is based on a 60mm 4x4x4. The add-on pieces were designed in SketchUp, printed by Shapeways in WSF and I dyed them using RIT dye. (Thanks Tomz for your tutorial on dying). The finished cube is 77mm. I'll post pictures of the stickered puzzles as soon as I cut them, or I may order them from Oliver.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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I saw the puzzle solved, then I saw it when it was turned. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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So quick you are! I think the witeden one is just a design concept at that moment. Hope to see their mass production in the future. Oh, you just let me see it :D


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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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Very nice, and very confusing!

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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(Thanks Tomz for your tutorial on dying)


I don't thing you need a tutorial for that!

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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(Thanks Tomz for your tutorial on dying)
I don't thing you need a tutorial for that!
What a difference an e makes! But now I think about it, I could list a few people who I think would benefit from such a tutorial :D

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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I've finished stickering my Camouflage Cube:
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The stickers were ordered from Oliver's Stickers. I am very happy with the result, but it is very confusing to turn. I haven't done a full scramble and solve yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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Thats very cool. Great job Gus.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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similar to this http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pkey=2386
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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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Great puzzle Gus! I do hope that WitEden does mass produce this puzzle in the future. If he doesn't, I really hope that you two could make an arrangement to sell these extensions on Shapeways. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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HeX wrote:
I hadn't seen that before, I wonder if a 2x3x3 version of this type of puzzle is possible?
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Great puzzle Gus! I do hope that WitEden does mass produce this puzzle in the future. If he doesn't, I really hope that you two could make an arrangement to sell these extensions on Shapeways. :)
Since this is a shape mod to a 4x4x4, I don't think there would be any problem putting it on Shapeways. Any comment WitEden?

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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If I were Witeden, I would be rather annoyed if somebody took my concept and then put it on Shapeways right after it was announced. I think you would need their permission to sell this design.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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Oh the irony!
First we complain that the Chinese companies are taking our ideas, and now we take theirs.

I'm with Tom. And if it does sell on shapeways and Witeden complains...well, you haven't a moral leg to stand on do you?

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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I don't know if it had been brought up yet, but couldn't you bandage a 5x5 in a similar fashion to make a camouflage 4x4? As with the camo 3x3, the pieces wouldn't all be proportional.


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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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...well, you haven't a moral leg to stand on do you?
Sometimes I haven't a sober leg to stand on! And I only made this puzzle for my own satisfaction, I have no interest in making any money from this, but I really appreciate the positive comments from my fellow TP members.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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Gus wrote:
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...well, you haven't a moral leg to stand on do you?
Sometimes I haven't a sober leg to stand on! .

Hey now! Wen were talking about you, not me! :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now Stickered
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katsmom wrote:
Oh the irony!
First we complain that the Chinese companies are taking our ideas, and now we take theirs.

I'm with Tom. And if it does sell on shapeways and Witeden complains...well, you haven't a moral leg to stand on do you?
The Camouflage Cube is now available here but it's the version made by AJ :shock: How do Witeden feel about this?

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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I've finished stickering my Camouflage Cube:


But anyone can see it a mile away with those colours!

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube
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But anyone can see it a mile away with those colours!
Not if it against a background of red, green, orange, yellow and blue squares.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now available at hknowstore!
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Then motion to rename it the Modrian cube :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now available at hknowstore!
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Then motion to rename it the Modrian cube :lol:
Actually, when it is scrambled it does look a bit like this:
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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now available at hknowstore!
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Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now available at hknowstore!

Came here to congratulate you (Gus) on getting a puzzle mass produced! After reading posts not sure who (Witeden, Gus or AJ) to congratulate! :lol: maybe I should be commiserating with someone instead!
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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore
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 Post subject: Re: Gus's Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore
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The title shouldn't have to be like that? 8-)
Witeden's Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore.
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 Post subject: Re: The Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore
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The title shouldn't have to be like that? 8-) Witeden's Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore.
The original title of this post was "Gus's Camouflage Cube" because this was my take on the Witeden concept, and I was the first person to make this puzzle. During the discussion on the thread it was pointed out that it would be frowned on if I made and sold copies of this cube without permission from Witeden. Now it is available as a hand mod by AJ on hknowstore. I don't think that AJ has permission from Witeden to sell this because it says on hknowstore:
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This puzzle is a hand-made puzzle by our famous inventor, Mr. AJ, in China. If it infringe anyone's patent or copyright, please either contact me or AJ. Thanks.
This is cleverly worded, because we all know that Witeden would not have a patent or copyright on a shape mod to a 4x4x4. Is this the case Witeden?

All I was trying to point out was that Mr. AJ was selling his version of the Witeden idea, which by TP guidelines must be considered a KO., without starting a brand new thread. I could change the post title to "Gus's first implementation of the Witeden concept Camouflage Cube - Now Knocked-Off at hknowstore" but that is too long for a post subject. Tell you what, I'll change the post title to "The Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore". Happy now?

And why the hell are we discussing semantics when the important point is whether or not the AJ cube is a KO, and should hknowstore be selling it even if no patent or copyright exists? I would like to sell my version, which would be less than $95. Does anyone have any objections to this?

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 Post subject: Re: The Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore
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All I was trying to point out was that Mr. AJ was selling his version of the Witeden idea, which by TP guidelines must be considered a KO., without starting a brand new thread. I could change the post title to "Gus's first implementation of the Witeden concept Camouflage Cube - Now Knocked-Off at hknowstore" but that is too long for a post subject. Tell you what, I'll change the post title to "The Camouflage Cube - Now knocked-off at hknowstore". Happy now?

And why the hell are we discussing semantics when the important point is whether or not the AJ cube is a KO, and should hknowstore be selling it even if no patent or copyright exists? I would like to sell my version, which would be less than $95. Does anyone have any objections to this?


Now I'm happy. :solved:
For example, if I will copy Tony's Golden Cube, I will never call it Aleh's Golden Cube, doesn't matter, has Tony patent or copyright or not. Here (twistypuzzles forum) we respect each other and without permission of inventor nobody should sell puzzles. If you planning to sell Camouflage Cube, you need to contact Witeden first. I hope you understand what I mean. :wink:

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Aleh wrote:
Now I'm happy. :solved:
Good. :)
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For example, if I will copy Tony's Golden Cube, I will never call it Aleh's Golden Cube, doesn't matter, has Tony patent or copyright or not. Here (twistypuzzles forum) we respect each other and without permission of inventor nobody should sell puzzles. If you planning to sell Camouflage Cube, you need to contact Witeden first. I hope you understand what I mean.
OK, I see your point. Claiming "ownership" of a puzzle, after it has been designed by someone else, is bad, but I was not trying to do this. In the post title, I was just trying to emphasis that this was my version of the Camouflage - maybe I should have called it "Gus's version of the Camouflage Cube" or something. I will bear this in mind for future posts.
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I don't think that AJ has permission from Witeden to sell this because it says on hknowstore:
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This puzzle is a hand-made puzzle by our famous inventor, Mr. AJ, in China. If it infringe anyone's patent or copyright, please either contact me or AJ. Thanks.
This is cleverly worded, because we all know that Witeden would not have a patent or copyright on a shape mod to a 4x4x4. Is this the case Witeden?
My bad! :oops: I have just seen this on hknowstore:
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Camouflage 3x3x3 White Body (AJ MOD) - designed and approved by Witeden
If this is the case, I apologise to AJ and hknowstore for this. However, I received a pm from Witeden about this which I don't understand. I will clarify this.

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 Post subject: Re: The Camouflage Cube - Now maybe KO at hknowstore
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Er. What has gus done wrong?
He shows a 4x4x4 shape mod...
He gets positive feedback...
He gets requests for copies of the puzzle...
He suggests shapeways...
All of this in public on the forum with every other designer/collector watching...
But then he is what - a thief?

Am I missing something?

His frustration I think, is that he has been the only one bashed. All sorts of stuff may have happend behind the scenes for AJ/HkNowstore to "sell" Camouflage cubes. Maybe not. But see what I did there? I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
You don't know and neither do I. But you all know exactly what Gus has done post-by-post, and yet he is a monster because he dares to put a provocative title on his thread!

As the great lady said (on International Woman Day) - "Badly done Emma, badly done".

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Thanks for that support Si, but I do admit that my post's title became a little misleading, and it could have been interpreted as me being upset that my design was being KOed. But it does seem strange that a custom design/mod can be sold before the "real" puzzle is - perhaps Witeden are taking a cut from hknowstore. I don't know, I'll wait for Witeden's response to my pm.

And I would never sell my versions of a puzzle without the owners permission - see the Brilicube thread (permission given) or the Medium Golden Cube (permission denied) or Medium Mental Block (permission for 2 copies).

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OK,Here I have some thing to say,
First of all, everybody knows, The Camouflage Cube design by Witeden. When I post my version(viewtopic.php?f=15&t=22877) handmade Camouflage Cube I also say the concept from Witeden's design.
Second, I sell the Camouflage cube on hknowstore is handmade, not mass produce, and I sell the puzzle have permission by Witeden.

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Er. What has gus done wrong?

All that was said was that the title was a bit misleading which he accepted himself.
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But then he is what - a thief?
His frustration I think, is that he has been the only one bashed.

What frustration? What bashing? I can't see anything of the sort in this thread.
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But see what I did there? I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Nobody was doubting Gus, merely saying the title was misleading!
Why didn't you also extend this "benefit of the doubt" to the people who mentioned the title was misleading too instead of assuming we were accusing him of being a thief, bashing him and calling him a monster????
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yet he is a monster because he dares to put a provocative title on his thread!
even you yourself say that the title was provocative!

Gus if you felt any of the above from my post i apologise, that was not my intention - i was just saying the title was misleading.


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AJ and Calvin Fan are our good friends !
They have contacted us and we have already approved them.

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Eating Humble pie time... :roll:
First of all Zzupler - my whole rant was not directed at you! But I appologise if you thought any of it was. It was not. You are right and Gus has also said, that the title was "misleading" and I used the word provocative to mean the sense that Gus seemed to be the only one who was in getting flack because no-one knew any information about the other puzzles and the various agreements in place.
As it turns out, everyone loves everyone else (which is brilliant as this keeps this community strong).

So I hereby promise to do two things:
1. Stick to only posting positives to encourage what I consider genius etc.
2. When I break rule 1. I will at least get my facts and directions straight.

Consider there only to be crumbs in front of me now :oops:

P.S. Witeden - Looking forward to the puzzles and will definitely be picking a couple up!

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 Post subject: Re: The Camouflage Cube - Now maybe KO at hknowstore
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Hopefully most issues have been worked out here. Here are the lessons I think we should take from this:

1.) TwistyPuzzles' KO policy is not limited to patent, trademark or copyright. If someone takes a design from another designer we frown on that and will enforce our policy even if no legal system would call it wrong.

2.) Building your own version of someone else's puzzle is your business. Selling their design without their permission is not polite, respectful nor tolerated on this forum.
Shapeways leads to a grey area: If you design your build of someone else's design and have Shapeways print a single copy for yourself you aren't selling it to someone else. But if you make it available for others to print, even with no markup for yourself, you are not being respectful by allowing their design to be sold: It's theirs to sell.
Even for a personal copy you have actually enslisted Shapeways to sell their design (to you) without their permission. So even though you may think of it as a "personal build", it is a different situation than building one truly on your own where no one is paying money for design that has not been authorized.

3.) It seems AJ and Witeden either had an agreement, or have worked out an agreement. Before claiming KO, do send the moderator or admin a PM so we can ask and determine what is going on. As this thread shows, speculation doesn't make for informative and accurate posts.

Given Witeden's post making their approval explicit, I am changing the title of this thread to reflect this stated fact, not speculation.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
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I'm sorry, but the main misunderstanding was caused by my original post title "Gus's Camouflage Cube", although in the thread it was clear that this was a build of a previously announced Witeden puzzle. Also, I should not have jumped so quickly to accuse KO status for Mr. AJ. My apologies, Mr. AJ. I will be more careful in the future.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
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I can't understand the discussion.

I feel with Gus. He was the first you built this puzzles. And in my eyes he is the "owner".

I think, to have an idea, is not enough. You have to make the complete (but unstickerd) turnable puzzle.

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We must remember here that this is just a shapemod/bandaging of a 4x4x4 cube. It's really nothing so special. I was the first to make this puzzle, and I know that we on TP put a lot of importance about who was the first to actually build a puzzle, not who was the first to "announce" it. It is not like I am going into mass production to compete with Witeden. I feel like repeating my Dogic actions and smashing the damn thing with a hammer :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:21 am 
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Gus wrote:
We must remember here that this is just a shapemod/bandaging of a 4x4x4 cube. It's really nothing so special. I was the first to make this puzzle, and I know that we on TP put a lot of importance about who was the first to actually build a puzzle, not who was the first to "announce" it. It is not like I am going into mass production to compete with Witeden. I feel like repeating my Dogic actions and smashing the damn thing with a hammer :twisted:
You and Claus make a good point about the difference between describing a puzzle and realizing a puzzle. It is our tradition to value actual working builds above simple descriptions or even designs in CAD.
But there is a continuum between "trivial to describe, requires genius to build" and "novel concept, trivial to build".

As Claus points out a 3x15x25 cuboid is trivial to describe, but I should get no real credit for mentioning this "puzzle" (probably a first). That would go to someone who has the chops to make it real.

This puzzle, on the other hand, is a novel idea and as far as I can see (in that it took a bit before people even understood what it was) the original description showed it was well on its way to production. Further, it is not a design that entails great complexity or building skill (as you note) once the design is properly described. This is closer to the other end of the spectrum of what is valuable about a puzzle design.

I don't consider the Square-2 "mine" even though I was the first (known) to build and conceive it. It is a fairly basic concept, and not rocket science to build. Had I, however, built it based on some one else's description I would still be the first builder (a notable achievement) but perhaps what credit I am afforded would be considerably less.

So while it is great you built one for yourself before it was mass produced (really, don't think I minimize this), I think the credit this commands has to be understood in context. Clearly Witeden could have posted about a physical prototype before moving directly to mass production. The effort to do so pales in comparison to the investment to tool up for injection molding. I don't think there is much doubt this design can be made, it is based on existing mechanisms. Taking the route they did is a far stronger step than simply posting a puzzle concept, or even bandaging and extending a 4x4x4. This is a novel design and a large commitment to our community to make it available and affordable, and that deserves credit.

So I think the original title was fine in that it was clear (in the post) that Gus wasn't trying to claim design credit. Just like my build of a half truncated cube doesn't imply I am claiming design credit, and we've made it quite clear New Puzzles is a great place to post about completed accomplishments regardless of originality.

Great job Gus, now put down the hammer! (and get some stickers on that thing!)

Dave :)

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:18 am 
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Dave wrote:
Great job Gus, now put down the hammer! (and get some stickers on that thing!)
OK, dummy sucked back in and hammer replaced in too box :)

By the way, it is stickered, see my post on November 16.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:57 pm 
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Gus wrote:
By the way, it is stickered, see my post on November 16.
Sigh. Sorry I missed that. Nicely done!
Please feel free to pop one up to the original post if you wish.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
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Jesus christ, people. If you don't want KO's and infrigment from happening, stop posting your puzzle designs ALL OVER THE INTERNET!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:21 am 
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samus88 wrote:
Jesus christ, people. If you don't want KO's and infrigment from happening, stop posting your puzzle designs ALL OVER THE INTERNET!!!
Verdes spent four years very carefully protecting the internals of his revolutionary design while he built his business to bring them to production. If you look at the results I think one can conclude that, at best, one can delay copying by a little bit.
Perhaps Witeden announced this a bit early, or perhaps there were delays in production (these are quite common, again refer to Verdes announcement vs. actual product release, Mefferts, etc.).
Designs will get copied, regardless, and this forum will not condone it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gus' Shapeways build of The Camouflage Cube
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:04 am 
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DLitwin wrote:
samus88 wrote:
Jesus christ, people. If you don't want KO's and infrigment from happening, stop posting your puzzle designs ALL OVER THE INTERNET!!!
Verdes spent four years very carefully protecting the internals of his revolutionary design while he built his business to bring them to production. If you look at the results I think one can conclude that, at best, one can delay copying by a little bit.
Perhaps Witeden announced this a bit early, or perhaps there were delays in production (these are quite common, again refer to Verdes announcement vs. actual product release, Mefferts, etc.).
Designs will get copied, regardless, and this forum will not condone it.

Dave

Amen to that Dave

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