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 Post subject: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2 (Now with VIDEO)
PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:48 am 
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Yay! Today is Singapore's birthday and i have just finished my new puzzle. I was first inspired by Rentlix and PuzzleMaster6262's Fully Functional Siamese and i was thinking if i could do it with other cubes. It is quite flimsy and fragile as it is just a prototype. I think i figured out the mech and the 3x3x2 was most suitable for it. Video will come later and i will resticker this prototype later. I may do another one if i have the time. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:54 am 
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Looks great :D Do you plan on stickering the black area with one large sticker or 4 normal sized ones?

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Hello Singapore and Happy National Day to everyone there! :D
Can't wait to see the video!

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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PuzzleMaster6262 wrote:
Looks great :D Do you plan on stickering the black area with one large sticker or 4 normal sized ones?
Hmmm... that is a great idea. I am not sure. maybe i will do both when i have another one. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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The thing I love about this puzzle is the fact the mechanism is different from mine. I will let RyanZ explain his mech. It shows that once something is proven to be possible, it is a lot easier to do.

If this puzzle was made with my mech, it would also be way less stable :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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At first I was thinking, "Is than an Acer laptop?". Then I saw the trackpad. :(

This is a good puzzle to start out with, but I think I see what you did...

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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Jorbs3210 wrote:
At first I was thinking, "Is than an Acer laptop?". Then I saw the trackpad. :(

This is a good puzzle to start out with, but I think I see what you did...

The last picture shows "COMPAQ".

I think this is great, and I'm still stumped as to how it's done.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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I think that the centers on the 2x3x3 are unscrewed. A bolt then is in between the two unscrewed centers that hold the puzzle together, and let it be fully functional. In the picture, the 2 black squares are the unscrewed centers, and the bolt is labeled xD. This is just what I've thought up by looking at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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I figured out how this mech works even before RyanZ showed me only because I was thinking inside the box. It is a clever solution and by far the best way to make this puzzle.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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I'm wondering if this would have been a far easier way to make the Siamese PuzzleMaster6262 had me make. At first I thought, "Wow, he found it out too!" You wouldn't be the first, but I can guarantee you this: your FF Siamese turns MUCH nicer than mine. It's impossible NOT to be. A vid would be nice. Hypocritical of me to say it though.

Nice to see a believer stepping it up a notch.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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Thanks for all your comment.

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Taxicab2112 was quite close but it is not I have no plans to reveal the mechanism anytime soon so please do not ask me for it. You can send me a PM for a guess but i will only say YES or NO. :lol: :lol:

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I figured out how this mech works even before RyanZ showed me only because I was thinking inside the box. It is a clever solution and by far the best way to make this puzzle.

Why don't you try making it my way and see how your Siamese 2x2 turn out. :D

Anyways VIDEO is out now. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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RyanZ wrote:
You can send me a PM for a guess but i will only say YES or NO. :lol: :lol:

I know how it's done, but as you don't intend to reveal the mech, neither shall I. I may be mistaken, but I believe this can be bandaged to a FF Siamese 2x2x2, but that doesn't necesarily mean it's the same mech. I don't believe this one will work any other way than bandaging on a FF Siamese 2x2x2. Keep up the new methods, though. The more ways these puzzles can be done, the cooler mods of FF Siameses there can be in the future.

Also, you and I are the only ones with the opportunity to solve FF Siameses. Try it out- it's very confusing to solve!

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2
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Rentlix wrote:
RyanZ wrote:
You can send me a PM for a guess but i will only say YES or NO. :lol: :lol:

I know how it's done, but as you don't intend to reveal the mech, neither shall I. I may be mistaken, but I believe this can be bandaged to a FF Siamese 2x2x2, but that doesn't necesarily mean it's the same mech. I don't believe this one will work any other way than bandaging on a FF Siamese 2x2x2. Keep up the new methods, though. The more ways these puzzles can be done, the cooler mods of FF Siameses there can be in the future.

Also, you and I are the only ones with the opportunity to solve FF Siameses. Try it out- it's very confusing to solve!

This has great turning! Amazing video :mrgreen:

This mech wouldn't work on a 2x2x2 or that many other Siamese puzzles. However as I have said before, it is probably the best mech possible for this puzzle. To explain why this wouldn't work on a 2x2x2, look at how the external pieces rotate. Everything on this puzzle rotates by 180 degrees while the 2x2x2 can rotate by 90. If you follow the logical steps of fixing this, the corners would fall out because they would have to be perfect cubes to unbandage the mech. A fully functiinal siamese 2x2x2 without corners wouldn't be that fun :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2 (Now with VIDEO)
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But my FF Siamese 2x2x2 can very easily lose its corners.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2 (Now with VIDEO)
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Rentlix wrote:
But my FF Siamese 2x2x2 can very easily lose its corners.

I designed a locking mechanism to fix that but with this mechanism on a 2x2x2, the corners would not be attatched and would be floating. Let's try to keep this topic about this puzzle, not ours.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2 (Now with VIDEO)
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I'm not sure why you're all acting like this mechanism is some huge secret. The obvious mechanism works.


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Would it be possible to go even further with this, and make it so it can also turn along the middle lines?


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kuBer wrote:
Would it be possible to go even further with this, and make it so it can also turn along the middle lines?

That would be challenging to design because after rotateing like that 180 degrees, one side would be 4x2 while the other 2x2. Also, after rotating 90 degrees along those lines you would be able to rotate it like a 2x2x2. I have no idea how to make that but maybe RyanZ does.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2 (Now with VIDEO)
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Bram wrote:
I'm not sure why you're all acting like this mechanism is some huge secret. The obvious mechanism works.

As the first person to question the mechanism that inspired this one, it isn't exactly rocket science to see the connection (literally). This puzzle is one nice way of moving the concept of fused cubes into reality. This mechanism is different (not hard to figure out either) and therefore there are different limits that can be reached. I am certain this mechanism allows for a Siamese 3x3x3 with 2x2x3 common ground. PuzzleMaster6262's mechanism, on the other hand, will make a Siamese 3x3x3 with 1x1x3 common ground. These are two completely different puzzles that go by the same name have a lot of potential to move forward. When these designs move further, so will possible modifications to these puzzles. These can be a new genre of puzzles if this goes farther along.

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 Post subject: Re: Fully Functional Fused 3x3x2 (Now with VIDEO)
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I've just seen this thread and I'd like to say that it looks awesome!!! From the looks of it it turns very smoothly as well. Well done!

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