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 Post subject: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:56 am 
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This is the second version of Super Edges for a rubik's 4x4x4. The movement is Beyond Belief( :lol: ). A 4 edge pair set is for sale on Shapeways for only $25.

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It is really really fun to mess around with. I will upload a video soon.

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:35 pm 
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Very nice! I look forward to seeing a version with all 12 edge-pairs replaced.

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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Just buy 3 of the sets and there you go :lol:

If I don't sell any, I will not be able to continue prototyping puzzles(7cm by 7cm by 7cm puzzles really hurt my pocket :lol: )

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Is there any chance you would consider casting these with black plastic? Cast parts would match up to the rest of the puzzle much nicer than the 3D printed parts.


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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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In the future, yes. Right now Shapeways is my only way to sell puzzles.
Apart from the feel of the material, the pieces can be black to match the rest of the puzzle. Shapeways sells them already dyed black for about $4 extra or you can dye the pieces yourself. I will dye these pieces black soon and post new pictures.

A good thing about this puzzle is, only normal 4x4x4 stickers are needed.

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Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or did I just see a puzzle with a built in air condition?

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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This is a really cool concept. I always imagined that a 4x4 could be modified to turn after 45* turns but this is much cooler.

What are these parts hollowed out to?

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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When you get this perfected, you should make a higher-order cube with a twist.

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Garrett wrote:
I always imagined that a 4x4 could be modified to turn after 45* turns.

This has been prototyped multiple times. i tried it but cant prove it. i know theres a topic somewhere
And i really like this. i have an idea on something cool to do with them


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Two things:

You can't buy the pieces form ShapeWays.

Will these pieces work with the new 4x4?

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@Garrett I'm not sure :lol: They will not break on you if that is what you are asking :lol: I could redo it but that would only give me maybe a dollar more in profit.

@Rentlix I have plans to :lol:

@eye2eye Thank you :D

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May you explain more? I just checked and it looks fine. Also the parts that connect with the 4x4x4 are slightly bigger then they need to be. You can sand them to perfection if they are not already perfect in your rubik's 4x4x4 cube :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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@Garrett I'm not sure :lol: They will not break on you if that is what you are asking :lol: I could redo it but that would only give me maybe a dollar more in profit.


Actually I was asking what the wall thickness on the parts is. Are they even hollowed?

The reason I ask is not because I am worried about breakage, I was goin to offer some tips to make the price a little cheaper for the rest of us. Considering you don't know what they are hollowed out to I'm guessing they are solid. $25 for a set of 4 is quite expensive.

Making them cheaper will get you more sales, trust me on that one. More sales = more markup for you.

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Garrett wrote:
PuzzleMaster6262 wrote:
@Garrett I'm not sure :lol: They will not break on you if that is what you are asking :lol: I could redo it but that would only give me maybe a dollar more in profit.


Actually I was asking what the wall thickness on the parts is. Are they even hollowed?

The reason I ask is not because I am worried about breakage, I was goin to offer some tips to make the price a little cheaper for the rest of us. Considering you don't know what they are hollowed out to I'm guessing they are solid. $25 for a set of 4 is quite expensive.

Making them cheaper will get you more sales, trust me on that one. More sales = more markup for you.

$25 is minimum order price, but I agree it's a bit much for 4 of them.

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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They ARE hollow. Unless I make the walls .7 mm thick, it will still be about the same price. However if I have time today, I will hollow the parts to exactly 1 mm. When I made these a whole two weeks ago, I only guessed about hollowing. Compared to the rest of the puzzles on shapeways, $25 is not that bad :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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You can safely hollow to .8mm and not have any problems.

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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Though $25 for a 1/4th puzzle (you still have to buy a 4x4x4) seems a bit steep to me.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to stick all the 12 edges in one file, to take full advantage of the density discount.

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If I can find time between life and working on my cross cube/48 cube, I will take all of your comments into account and hopefully make the pieces as cheep as possible without changing the outsides.

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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Bump.

I've uploaded a video on youtube incase anyone is confused about how this puzzle rotates.

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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interesting. I never realized that they can in fact make a momentary bandage or lock! I am tempted to get this in the futur. Could you change your design so they will fit the new 4x4 tho? I dont like Rubiks now :D

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 Post subject: Re: 4x4x4 with a partial twist V2
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What 4x4x4 cube would you prefer?

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I did this with corners and centers, and it works that way also, but it popped the center pieces a lot.


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Lykwid wrote:
I did this with corners and centers, and it works that way also, but it popped the center pieces a lot.

What?

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Does the Rubik's edge pieces fit the Meffert 4x4's?

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PuzzeMaster6262, please make a set for the Mini QJ 4x4x4. They're such a good size, turn great, and plus these should be cheaper to sell. Please!

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The new Mf8 DaYan 4x4x4 would be optimal. And the Eastsheen! And how about the same for a 5x5x5 cube? is that possible?

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I can (hopefully) adjust this to fit most 4x4x4s, I just need the dimensions. Also I will point out that if 4 super edges are in a row and each is rotated 90 degrees, sometimes it will lock up.


I do not plan on making a 5x5x5 version. Instead,
•7x7x7 with 2 rotating groups per edge
•4x4x4 with 45 degree turns allowing corners to relocate to the center
•Different cutting styles of edges( ie square 1)

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I don't think these would be possible on an Eastsheen cube because of the way the Eastsheen pieces need to be hollow to allow the hidden center layer to pass through them.


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sorry
i dont really get it
how come the edges become like that?

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whitelynx_nivla wrote:
sorry
i dont really get it
how come the edges become like that?


Unique mechanism. If you think about it, it may become obvious. I'm pretty confident I've worked out the mechanism, but for his sake I won't post it.

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Volitar Prime wrote:
I don't think these would be possible on an Eastsheen cube because of the way the Eastsheen pieces need to be hollow to allow the hidden center layer to pass through them.


ah! you'r right! I didnt think of that.

@Pm6262 cool to expand idea to 7x7x7, and the new 4x4x4 ideas! I like the 45 degree idea! :)

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whitelynx_nivla wrote:
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i dont really get it
how come the edges become like that?


Unique mechanism. If you think about it, it may become obvious. I'm pretty confident I've worked out the mechanism, but for his sake I won't post it.

It's just the same as 1x2x3s, nothing complex or new. You can see the 3d model on shapeways.

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Volitar Prime wrote:
I don't think these would be possible on an Eastsheen cube because of the way the Eastsheen pieces need to be hollow to allow the hidden center layer to pass through them.


No, its quite possible. You just need to be a bit more creative about it, I think.

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