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 Post subject: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:35 am 
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Well, unfortunately as most of you probably know, I am no longer in the puzzlemaking hobby. However, here is a puzzle I started to make with the help of Nikola for the CAD work.

I call it the Windows Cube. It's a 2x2 Eastsheen with an overlay of windows that are colored, so it's actually a double 2x2 cube. The concept and design are cool, however I ran into a lot of problems- mostly alignment. I don't know that I'll ever finish it, so I figured I'd share the idea and hope maybe someone else may want to run with it and make it a finished puzzle.

BTW, I had planned to make stickers for the edges of the windows overlays so there is some necessary orientation and not just put the colors wherever you feel like putting them.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:47 am 
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Nice prototype! This is probably harder than the circle cube, since the windows can be scrambled in almost any way...

Awesome job!

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:48 am 
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Aww Man! This is beautiful Flambore!

Looks like a little piece of candy! :D Awesome:)

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:58 am 
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Heh, when I saw the topic's title a Windows-themed sticker mod came to mind :lol: I should have known you'd come up with something way more interesting.

As for super stickers, it might look nice if the centre circles and maybe the cross would be the color of the face and the outer edges would show the colors of the adjacent sides.

How hard is it to solve?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 9:07 am 
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Kapusta wrote:
Nice prototype! This is probably harder than the circle cube, since the windows can be scrambled in almost any way...


I am pretty certain that the circle cube (2x2 or 3x3) is much, much harder to solve than this is.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:29 am 
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Neat idea and puzzle. A 2x2 shallow cross cube with stickers underneath, never thought it would be made :D


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:43 am 
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The way the puzzle is right now, it's not hard to solve. Think 2 steps- solve the 2x2, then solve the outer layer like the centers of a 4x4. Not hard at all. That's why I thought of adding the colors on the edges of the windows to make it a little more difficult.

BTW, I merely mentioned him, but I couldn't have gotten this far without Nikola's help. He did a nice job with the CAD work on this.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:25 am 
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fantastic mod, I hope you get to finish it. though I would like to point out that if you add colors to the sides of the window, does it not then become a edgeless 4x4, with a2x2 inside? Like a cross 2x2?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 12:20 pm 
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Excellent idea! I love the concept.

I really like all of the 2x2-based mods that are coming out.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:15 am 
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What a beautiful concept and how nicely made.
Of course the puzzle has similarities with the 224 puzzle made by Wayne ( http://twistypuzzles.com/articles/building-2x2x4.shtml ) and the Babyface puzzle made by ‘Skeneegee’ ( viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5098 ).
However, in these cases only the ‘outside’ pieces are visible.
I love the way that the windows in this puzzle show the pieces underneath.
Being able to mix the window frames and the pieces underneath is a great new concept and really adds a kind of new ‘dimension’ to the puzzle.
Great puzzle!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:00 am 
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Beautiful!

That was a very clever idea you had Frank :)
I was wondering when you'll show it off :)

Is it fun to solve?

Though, perhaps a day we'll see a V2 now you shown it



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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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It's hard to solve because the windows layers are loose, and you have to hold all four sides straight on a slice. That's one of the major problems with it. I think if I ever covered the cube with a thin layer of sheet plastic, it would work better. Or if I would have had you re-design the windows parts with a slightly shorter inside length, the parts would have been more snug so they wouldn't move so much.

Anyway, there will not be a v2 from me. That's why I posted this as-is. As I said, I won't be doing puzzle building anymore, so this is a dead end street for me. I welcome anyone to pick this up where I left off; it would be cool to see a good version of this.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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could this not also be made using a slightly modified mini rhombiminx concept/design? i like that the windows are connected on the inside, but if you were able to do from just gluing the pieces to the outside, i think a diy kit could be easier to make/sell. then again... you could make the window cube and turn it into a rhombiminx, the idea intrigues me.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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I like the idea. It's too bad the windows layer ended up loose. If you used a recessed spot and put in the sticker, that'll stop it from rubbing.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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Nice job on this Frank! I didn't know you had gone this far with it.

Alokin wrote:
Though, perhaps a day we'll see a V2 now you shown it

Coming soon ....(I added it to the never ending list of things to do) :D

Frank 's suggestion for improvement and an aesthetic suggestion I had will be incorporated.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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Frank and Nikola, this is extremely cute!!!
Now we need to place some curtains!

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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This is a nice idea but I'd be worried about getting a BSoD. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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Taylor wrote:
I think the main things here is to have a good ES2x2 base. Make a jig to hold the ES perfectly and then use a drill press to create the holes. I think that would be a lot more precise than a dremel.

Okeedokee. Here's where I have to reveal some photos I wasn't planning on sharing. I actually did this, and everything seems to have gone well until the 6th photo. Two things could have probably made this better. 1) a round drill bit rather than a flat boring bit (I don't have a 3/4" round bit for my drill press, that's a big bit), and 2) maybe some sort of jig that lays on top of the pieces to hold them down? I held them down with my left hand. When the bit caught, they jumped and did that to my thumb. It wasn't serious, but it could have been. Do not try this at home. I had quite a few successful drills before it did this. Not a moment I was proud of. I recommend using the dremel.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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Very cool, thanks for the extra pictures as well. It is always nice see WIP pics.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows cube (prototype)
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Ooh, nice. What are the windows made of? Are they just plastic board? I like it, but I think you should use the standard color-scheme on both the windows, as well as the original cube.

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The windows are made of SmoothCast 300.


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