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The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
Posted - 22 November 2008

The 24th of November 2008 marks the 9th anniversary of the Twisty Puzzles forum. In celebration of the occasion I decided to write about what I felt was a list of the Top 10 custom twisty puzzles ever made. The puzzles were chosen using several key criteria, including puzzle desirability, innovation, and overall significance in the custom puzzle community. Most of the puzzles here are milestones and have made a great impact one way or another.

The types of puzzles on this list range from simple shape modifications to the complete 3D printed and cast puzzles although the line was drawn at sticker variants as there are far too many to be properly represented. In some cases there is a degree of overlap between builders, but ultimately the credit mainly goes to the "first" substantiated physical release of a particular puzzle. While the main focus is on the puzzle itself, the influence of the builder can't be completely ignored and in some cases strongly influences the decision to include the puzzle.

Credit was given, linked, and date of invention listed whenever possible. Ultimately the choices are my opinion only and naturally you may choose to disagree although in general it would be difficult to argue that all of these puzzles don't hold some significance. Creating a numbered list can be an interesting challenge as one weighs the position of the various puzzles. And the idea of only including “Top 10” puzzles on this list in an ordered fashion? It's downright unfair. But then again, life is unfair and as much as I wanted this list to be longer (and maybe some day it will!) I had to draw the line somewhere.

Without further ado, here is the list:







Number Ten:

Bump Cube - Hidetoshi Takeji, circa 2004


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We begin our Top Ten list with an interesting offset shape modification of a 3x3x3 puzzle. The puzzle is a simple yet elegant design where every piece has a unique yet non-arbitrary shape which allows the puzzle to be solved without stickers and without the need to solve for center parity. This is essentially the same as solving a regular rubik's cube, but significantly more difficult.

Hidetoshi-san's puzzle holds several notable distinctions;
1. His custom puzzle gallery debuted on the forum before he did.
2. His debut on the Twisty Puzzles forum was more of an invitation.
3. His Bump Cube (rebranded as the Rubik's Mirror Blocks) was mass produced.

For the unique appearance of the puzzle, plus the success of achieving mass production after receiving no less than official Rubik’s branding, the Bump Cube makes Number Ten on the list.







Number Nine:

Siamese Cube – Tony Fisher, circa 1981


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At the dawn of the Rubik’s Cube craze, Tony Fisher was on hand not just to solve the puzzle, but to hack it into bits. Or, in this case, to make one puzzle from two.

While the Siamese Cube concept today is commonplace, the significance of the idea still dates back to those early years where with blades and glue in hand, the first custom twisty puzzle mod was born and a revolution started. This early revolution places the Siamese Cube (and all other fused puzzle concepts) at Number Nine.







Number Eight:

Tuttminx - Lee Tutt, circa 2005


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Mr. Tutt's debut on the forum was also the debut of the Tuttminx, a face turning truncated icosahedron puzzle similar in style to a Megaminx, only to a much larger scale. And with its debut, the concept of higher order non-cubical puzzles was demonstrated in grand style.

The Tuttminx pushes the limits of the face turning concept while Lee's later work in the Pyracosaminx and the final Tutt's Icosaminx presented limits of the corner turning puzzle. But all of this marvelous work began with the Tuttminx debut, one of the earliest large scale designs employing 3D design for the master pieces (masters hand made by a jeweler!) by someone never seen or heard of in the forum, placing this puzzle at Number Eight.

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Number Seven:

Double Layer Cheese - Anthony Greenhill, circa 2002


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By all appearances this puzzle is nothing more than a simple shape mod utilizing a UFO mechanism at its core. What distinguishes this puzzle from others is that it uses plastic sheet as the primary method for construction. Indeed, Anthony Greenhill's custom puzzles are primarily built from polystyrene sheet, a technique seldom used previously even though it was shown to be the superior method for a lot of shape mods.

Only in recent years has the popularity of plastic sheet really taken off as builders rediscover the advantages of using this building material. Will curved plastic sheet be next? Only Time will tell, but until then the puzzle still earns a Number Seven slot on this list.







Number Six:

Teraminx - Andrew Cormier, circa 2008


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What needs to be said about the Teraminx? The builder is a polyurethane casting machine and the puzzle is a masterpiece.

The Teraminx is a brilliant design that truly pushes the concept of the higher order puzzle to the limit, creating a work that escalates the technique of 3D modeling and fabrication. Aside from the puzzle itself, Andrew's incredibly fast casting technique has demonstrated that it is indeed possible to fabricate a puzzle of this magnitude within hours and not weeks.

As a carefully choreographed mechanism of a frightening number of visible moving pieces, the Teraminx essentially has no equals among custom puzzles and earns itself and its builder a spot at Number Six.







Number Five:

Void Cube - Okamoto Katsuhiko, circa 2007


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At first glance the Void Cube seems less like a custom puzzle and more like a mystery. Does the Void Cube even rotate? It most certainly does.

This puzzle from a master craftsman at first glance certainly does appear impossible. His technique of building jigs and directly fabricating puzzles from raw blocks of ABS plastic is virtually peerless, only echoed by a few employing CNC machines and laser cutters.

His many years of machine work have resulted in many impressive works over the years, the pinnacle of which is arguably this work. And in yet another impressive feat, Okamoto-san joins the ranks of the few custom builders who have seen their puzzles mass produced, securing the Void Cube its place at Number Five.







Number Four:

Pentultimate - Jason Smith, circa 2008


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Some people doubted that this puzzle could even be built. Or rather, that nobody was insane enough to build one. Taking an idea discussed by no less than Robert Webb and Bram Cohen, the self proclaimed madman eventually built the puzzle by sheer determination, ingenuity, and a trusty CNC machine, resulting in a mechanism that makes people of lesser intestinal fortitude give up all hopes of ever duplicating the effort.

For sheer audacity of design and construction, the Pentultimate earns itself (and the human being the puzzle owns) a Number Four spot in this countdown.









Number Three:

Slim Tower - Tony Fisher, circa 1990


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This puzzle is one of the simplest custom puzzles that goes beyond the "mere" shape mod for the enthusiast. There are many ways to make this puzzle, which makes the Slim Tower a fantastic way to learn many techniques, provided that the builder chooses to put those techniques to good use.

The simple concept of bandaging and building over an existing mechanism may seem commonplace in the modern day, but the idea was spawned when certain advanced tools were well beyond the reach of anybody except those working in the plastics or machining industry. Even today the general concept can be expanded to the creation of virtually any cuboid for as long as the appropriate NxNxN mechanism exists.

It is interesting to note that this is the only puzzle on this list that was not actually directly constructed by its inventor (only designed and described), therefore there is no picture of an original. However the sheer influence of the creation of more complex cuboids using the same basic method makes a compelling case for its inclusion, earning the 2x2x3 Slim Tower the Number Three position.









Number Two:

24-Cube - Matt S., circa 2008


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The number two puzzle on this list was brought by one of the maddest of the current crop of twisty puzzle designers. The 24 Cube is predated by two other stunning works, the Toru and Rua, where jumbling is a key feature of their design. The 24 Cube however takes the "less is more" approach and presents a mere 12 apparent moving pieces despite the hundreds required in its framework to make the puzzle work.

One glance at the simple looking “half chop” design tells the observer nothing about what sort of insane mechanism is required to make this puzzle work, which is really an elegant part of this puzzle’s greatness. The 24 Cube is truly a master of deception where simplicity and complexity intersect to make this puzzle Number Two on the list of greatest custom puzzles ever.











Number One:

Fisher Cube - Tony Fisher, circa 1985


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How does a "simple shape mod" make the top of the list? Several very important reasons: Firstly, the Fisher Cube is quite possibly the granddaddy of all custom shape modifications that did not come from a factory. Second, the Fisher Cube is one of those puzzles that almost every novice builder attempts on their way to improving their skills. Many techniques can be employed to make the puzzle and many new skills to learn.

The Fisher Cube, much like its inventor, is iconic, a representation of the qualities many custom puzzle makers strive for: Innovation. Creativity. Craftsmanship. Skill. It is this iconic stature and its longevity in the puzzling community that ranks the Fisher Cube the Number One greatest custom Twisty Puzzle of all Time.







With the passage of the years the list may certainly change or grow as inventors come and go and new techniques are learned. Or perhaps others in the future may have their own ideas about what constitutes their own “Top 10” list and write up their own. I tried to create this list with no bias, doing my best to adhere strictly to the rules dictated in the title of this write-up. Unfortunately there are many names of custom puzzle greats that have not been mentioned even though they truly merit credit and recognition. It was a regrettable decision that had to be made for the sake of brevity and for that I am truly sorry.

In any case I hope to at least inspire some of you out there to contemplate this list, think about the puzzles, learn the techniques to create them, and walk tall among the innovators and visionaries of the Twisty Puzzles community as we all head into a bright custom puzzle future.

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It's exceedingly difficult to come up with a list like this. Overall, I think it's quite accurate. The only thing I think I would have changed was to add one of the V-cubes to the list.

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The V-cubes aren't custom twisty puzzles, they're commercial.

Jin- Great list. You've obviously put a lot of time and effort into this list. Well done!


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Oops, I wasn't even thinking about that. I will try to retract my previous post.

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Excellent job, Jin. I agree with most, though I believe that the *original* Gigaminx V1 (Tylers) and the 3x3x4 also belong on this list.

I can tell that lots of time was put into this list, and the choices were well picked regardless of what I think :wink:

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Oops, I wasn't even thinking about that. I will try to retract my previous post.

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Well, the Void cube and the bump cube are also mass produced. But I think they're on the list and not the V-cubes because the v-cubes were never amateur builder designs before they were mass produced... That's my take anyway.


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Excellent post. A very enjoyable read to celebrate 9 years of discussion and innovation.

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Great job with the list Jin. It's refreshing to see such a well thought out and put together post like that one. :)


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A great Sunday morning read, thanks. I could lap up such stuff for the top 50.

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I think the drizzel should of made this list somewhere. Other than that it looks good.


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Very well done article that I saved to my hard disk before any reply had been written.

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Nice to see this list!.

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Thanks Jin, a difficult thing to do but you've made excellent choices.
A great read.


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Perfect choices and article, I just would have added the floppy cube somewhere (but removing one item of this list would have be more difficult).


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Jin H Kim wrote:
The 24 Cube however takes the "less is more" approach and presents a mere 12 apparent moving pieces despite the hundreds required in its framework to make the puzzle work.


Didn't the 24 Cube have, well, 24 pieces?

Not to spoil the mood, though, I thoroughly enjoyed this. It deserves a spot among the other articles on twistypuzzles!

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Fractangle wrote:
Jin H Kim wrote:
The 24 Cube however takes the "less is more" approach and presents a mere 12 apparent moving pieces despite the hundreds required in its framework to make the puzzle work.


Didn't the 24 Cube have, well, 24 pieces?

Not to spoil the mood, though, I thoroughly enjoyed this. It deserves a spot among the other articles on twistypuzzles!


It has 24 visible moving pieces, however it appears there are only 12.

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TomZ wrote:
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Jin H Kim wrote:
The 24 Cube however takes the "less is more" approach and presents a mere 12 apparent moving pieces despite the hundreds required in its framework to make the puzzle work.


Didn't the 24 Cube have, well, 24 pieces?

Not to spoil the mood, though, I thoroughly enjoyed this. It deserves a spot among the other articles on twistypuzzles!


It has 24 visible moving pieces, however it appears there are only 12.

Ah, I'd missed that. Thanks! :)

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Great list.

One of my puzzles of note is the SuperX 2.0 because it is built entirely from 3D printed parts. I think it is the first entirely 3D printed twisty puzzle, but there are other mechanical puzzles made by this method that pre-date mine by years.

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Thanks, everyone. I agonized over some decisions and had to make some tough choices. I could start rattling off the names of exceptional puzzles which I wanted to put on the list and truly I think I would have been better off doing a "top 15."

And Terry, you do know that the 24 Cube is the.drizzle's puzzle, right? ;)

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Yay, I made the list! And a nice bit of reading, too :)

But Jin, I really think Adam should end up on this thing if I am, as I only actually decided to start making 3D printed parts based on the positive results that Adam had already achieved with the technology. As he already pointed out, I can't think of anyone else using the technology for twistypuzzle construction prior to him.

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Jin H Kim wrote:
Thanks, everyone. I agonized over some decisions and had to make some tough choices. I could start rattling off the names of exceptional puzzles which I wanted to put on the list and truly I think I would have been better off doing a "top 15."

You could always do an "honorable mention" addendum. :)


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Great List! Most of the ones up there would hae been in my top 10 as well.
(One note is that Tutt's Tuttminx was actually made from jeweler made masters.)


You're right, and that's one of the reasons the Tuttminx was put on the list for the out of the box method, so epic fail on my part not to correct that obvious glaring error despite going over the draft on several occasions. Sheesh, you would think I would doublecheck my own writeup for obvious technical mistakes before posting it...

Regarding an addendum, I have really considered it. Several puzzles/designers immediately jumped to mind as being almost essential to the list, but again, that's where the very hard choices came into play.

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Shouldn't this thread be in the puzzle building forum? None of these are really "new".

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This was a great read!

Since Adam didn't make the list,

I'll also chime in and say I thought the SuperX was going to be on there somewhere because it was the first 3D printed puzzle AND it is the only so-far made "hybrid" puzzle (ie it twists around faces AND corners). Also, Adam printed the Helicopter cube, which predated the Toru as the first physical "jumblable" puzzle (jumbling was discovered when the Helicopter cube was printed.

Then again, I don't know if Okamoto or Adam was the first to get to the Helicopter cube.

I might've put SuperX at number 8, since Tony Fisher's Siamiese Cube and Fisher Cube are important for the same reasons (precedent). But hey, I'm not the person who put the effort into making a list with such excellent overall commentary. :)

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Where is the capsule cube :(

haha, just kidding. That list is arguable, but I think you pretty much nailed it (except you forgot the capsule cube :mrgreen: ).


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Where is the capsule cube :(

haha, just kidding. That list is arguable, but I think you pretty much nailed it (except you forgot the capsule cube :mrgreen: ).


I know you were joking, but I think your Blue Diamond puzzle was more innovative than your Capsule Cube. Although, both are very original ideas.

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Jin H Kim wrote:
Thanks, everyone. I agonized over some decisions and had to make some tough choices. I could start rattling off the names of exceptional puzzles which I wanted to put on the list and truly I think I would have been better off doing a "top 15."

And Terry, you do know that the 24 Cube is the.drizzle's puzzle, right? ;)


No, I didn't know his real name. My mistake, but at least I knew he should of been on the list.


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Wonderful list Jin. :) Great choices.


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I really think there should be a top 15, I like the list though. Thanks for putting so much time into this Jin! :D

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I am going to make a "top ten" list of just my mods. Better start building. :D

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One of the most influential puzzles that is not on this list is Tony Fisher's Golden Cube.

It adds two new things to custom puzzle design, solving by shape alone, and having the solved state where the layers are not aligned. I don't know if either of these were done before this puzzle, but certainly changed the way I thought about puzzle design possibilities.

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One of the most influential puzzles that is not on this list is Tony Fisher's Golden Cube.

It adds two new things to custom puzzle design, solving by shape alone, and having the solved state where the layers are not aligned. I don't know if either of these were done before this puzzle, but certainly changed the way I thought about puzzle design possibilities.

Agreed, but like Jin mentioned, and I can imagine, it must be very hard to narrow down the list to only 10. I'm sure there are plenty other worthy entries that didn't make the list. Floppy Cube? Pyraminx Crystal?

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no.1 Teraminx, because it is simply the best puzzle ever made, combining expertise at CAD and moulding and all done in an incredibly short time.
no.2 Aleh's Master Octahedron, because I consider it the best puzzle made entirely by hand.

I won't even try to name the others.

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i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to disagree with you for this list. i personally believe that all puzzles are great and fun to play with, and i dont think that a specific list should be made, because these lists are based on personal preference and can be pretty controversial, but if i had to make a list, i would say

teraminx no1
v-cube 7 no2
Ball in a Cube no3
pentultimate no4
master tetrahedron v2 no5
void cube no6
tuttminx no7
megaminx no8
trajber's octahedron no9
triangular prism no10


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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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dshnig, some of your puzzles are commercial, and have never been a custom puzzle (vcube, megaminx). The title of this list is the top 10 greatest CUSTOM twisty puzzles of all time.

There are so many ways to slice and dice lists like this. You can make variations on the most influential puzzles, the most complex, the most visually appealing, the most fun, etc... What it boils down to is that everyone has their own opinions. And this list was put together by Jin, so it's his call. But you are free to share your opinion. :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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Just an idea, but I think this "top 10 list" would be much better created by using a top-site script. That way members of the community get to vote on what puzzles they think are the best.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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I disagree. This list is Jin's opinion, it shouldn't represent the community as a whole.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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I think Jin made it clear in the first line that this list was his opinion. I think he did a great job of representing some of the best puzzles or most innovative puzzzles made. I know my list would be very different and would start with the Mickey Mouse head, have the Warner bros. heads somewhere in the middle and end with the Gundam heads at the end. If he had wanted this to be a VOTE for the best puzzles he would have posted it as such.

One of the nicest things about this forum has been that we all had the right to disagree without the fear of reprisal. After coming back from a break, I fear this aspect of twisty has sadly disapeared. It's a shame. I do hope that comes back.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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flambore wrote:
Jin H Kim wrote:
Thanks, everyone. I agonized over some decisions and had to make some tough choices. I could start rattling off the names of exceptional puzzles which I wanted to put on the list and truly I think I would have been better off doing a "top 15."

You could always do an "honorable mention" addendum. :)


Nah, make it a top 30 list. Make a "coutdown" post every day throughout december ...

Best wishes,

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Someone please make a void megaminx! Simple yet mindboggling idea ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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perfredlund wrote:
flambore wrote:
Jin H Kim wrote:
Thanks, everyone. I agonized over some decisions and had to make some tough choices. I could start rattling off the names of exceptional puzzles which I wanted to put on the list and truly I think I would have been better off doing a "top 15."

You could always do an "honorable mention" addendum. :)


Nah, make it a top 30 list. Make a "coutdown" post every day throughout december ...

Best wishes,

Per

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Someone please make a void megaminx! Simple yet mindboggling idea ;-)


http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8966&hilit=holey+megaminx


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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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The puzzles listed are not necessarily the most popular or exotic mods, but are very influential in the custom puzzle community whether it is openly acknowledged or not.

This list is like a list of influential pieces or artwork, the best known ones are not usually on the list, because they are not the ones that influenced the artists themselves.

Overall I like Jin's list, and I think that many of the puzzles on it influenced me in my designs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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Chagi wrote:
perfredlund wrote:
flambore wrote:
You could always do an "honorable mention" addendum. :)


Nah, make it a top 30 list. Make a "coutdown" post every day throughout december ...

Best wishes,

Per

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Someone please make a void megaminx! Simple yet mindboggling idea ;-)


http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8966&hilit=holey+megaminx


Hmm, how did i miss that one :| So it could be done. What came first. Void minx or void cube?

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perfredlund wrote:
Hmm, how did i miss that one :| So it could be done. What came first. Void minx or void cube?

Lee T. wrote:
I finally feel comfortable enough with my new puzzle to show it. Here is my new puzzle the Holey Megaminx. I had wondered if I could extend the wonderful work of Katsuhiko Okamoto' Void cube to the megaminx.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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Calzone wrote:
perfredlund wrote:
Hmm, how did i miss that one :| So it could be done. What came first. Void minx or void cube?

Lee T. wrote:
I finally feel comfortable enough with my new puzzle to show it. Here is my new puzzle the Holey Megaminx. I had wondered if I could extend the wonderful work of Katsuhiko Okamoto' Void cube to the megaminx.

:D


I should not read TP too early in the morning :mrgreen: Has any pictures of the holey megaminx internals ever showed up ??

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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for the 10 year aniversary someone should make a top 100 list. I would do this but i don't even know 100 puzzles.
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any puzzle should be allowed


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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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I think that many of you missed the point of this topic by a bit, but that's alright. Let me see if I can sum up the point in a more concise manner.

1. The puzzles on the list were selected based on a combination of several key factors such as innovation and influence or being first in some way, and as such a lot of puzzles did not make the list despite being fantastic examples of a given technique.

2. This was not a beauty pageant or popularity contest, as there are obviously a number of more striking puzzles than what is on the list. If I was indulging my own hubris and creating a top ten list of puzzles I like, the list would look quite different and I would definitely not have stickied it.

3. All of the puzzles started as custom works or one-off or small batch creations and were not "factory" puzzles to start with. The V-cube line would certainly be on this list had it not been for that small technicality, as in a sense the prototype v-cubes out there could almost be considered "custom" designs.

4. The list was not about which builder appeared where on the list, as I don't think any high level builder needs this sort of attention. However to some degree the influence of a builder is reflected in some of the puzzles on the list.

The sticky was only intended for the duration of the week to stimulate discussion and thought and to celebrate the anniversary. A week having past, it's certainly Time for it to move on.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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Jin H Kim wrote:
2. This was not a beauty pageant or popularity contest, as there are obviously a number of more striking puzzles than what is on the list. If I was indulging my own hubris and creating a top ten list of puzzles I like, the list would look quite different and I would definitely not have stickied it.


Oh no! Does this mean that my post for alternative mechanisms has no chance to be stickied?

:lol:

On a serious note, Jin has a point here. And if we think about it, there will always be disagreements.
The goal was to create some talk and praise the people who have contributed.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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flambore wrote:
The V-cubes aren't custom twisty puzzles, they're commercial.



Bump Cube (Mirror Cube) and Void Cube are also commercial, but they are on the list. There is no clear border between commericial and custom-made.

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 Post subject: Re: The Top 10 Greatest Custom Twisty Puzzles of All Time
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While the bump cube and void cube are now mass produced, they started out as custom puzzles. The v-cubes did not. Also, the v7 is sort of on the list anyway since the teraminx uses a mechanism derived from it.

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