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 Post subject: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Inventor of the "Moldovan pyramid" technologist Ordynets Alexander (center) in the studio Kishinev Tractor Plant, which he headed

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Unknow Icosahedron! Compy Skewb, Corner turning Octahedron, Moldovan pyraminx

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:54 am 
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Unknow Icosahedron!
Looks like this:
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pkey=1633


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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:58 am 
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Thank You
you need to change the name of the inventor;)

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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My friend Philip had recently seen: russian Master Pyraminx
http://twistypuzzles.ru/forum/index.php ... 191.0.html

more info about this puzzle and author: Russian Master Pyraminx (4 layers)

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:18 pm 
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the first photo:

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see there:
http://s387.photobucket.com/user/grigr/ ... 5.jpg.html
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo31 ... /scan1.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:34 pm 
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Ordynets Aleksandr patented in 1981-1982 year a lot of puzzles. You can see them here:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchRe ... acenet.com

for example see this pages (information on some of the puzzles need to fix) : http://www.calormen.com/twistypuzzles/twisty.htm

Ordynets Master Pyraminx - 1981-1983 patent
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicat ... cale=en_EP
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicat ... cale=en_EP

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:48 pm 
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Very very interesting information. I have a Katsuhiko Okamoto's Master Pyraminx which I got in 2006. And to think I thought I had one of the first... looks like I was more then several decades late.

Via PM you mentioned that Aleksandr Ordynec ​​recently passed away. Is that why all this "new" (or old depending on how you look at it) information is coming to light? I'm very surprised by all this. Hmmm... looks like this isn't exactly new information. I just read a few more of those links you gave me via PM. So either I've just missed these posts before or I simply never connected the dots.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14235&hilit=Ordynets
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1604&hilit=Ordynets

What can you tell me about this book?
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It appears to discuss both these puzzles and the Makarov Cube. Can you confirm this picture is also from that book?
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1453/fileiw.jpg

Does this suggest that Sergei Makarov and Aleksandr Ordynec ​​knew each other? Just who published this book? Do you have a copy of it? I'd love to see it translated into English.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:10 am 
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wwwmwww wrote:
And to think I thought I had one of the first... looks like I was more then several decades late.
Mr. Okamoto reinvented the Master Pyraminx. I doubt whether he ever knew about the predecessor.
In the old posting Aleksey says only samples were produced. Nobody needs to be ashamed of missing this items.
On the other hand: Those who do own a true collectors item.

From the sketches I guess My Ordynets had a faible for trivial tips.
I see a Halpern-Meier-Tetrahedron, a Trajbers Octahedron and a Compy Cube all with trivial tips.
And I see "Globall Flower", Dino Cube and Magic Octahedron.

I need time to consume this excellent post.
Thank you Evgeniy.


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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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wwwmwww wrote:
What can you tell me about this book?

It appears to discuss both these puzzles and the Makarov Cube. Can you confirm this picture is also from that book?

Just who published this book? Do you have a copy of it? I'd love to see it translated into English.

Carl

The picture with Sergey Makarov is from Russian magazine "Yuniy Technik" - "Юный Техник"
(that means "young technician").

I have that book and can provide more information on demand. Please let me know by pm.


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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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iaroslavski wrote:
The picture with Sergey Makarov is from Russian magazine "Yuniy Technik" - "Юный Техник"
(that means "young technician").
Ok... here is a quote from a PM grigr sent me a few days ago which now has me confused.
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I don't believe there is anything here that hasn't already been shared so I don't think he'd object to me posting this excerpt.

Is that image from the book, the "young technician" magazine, or something else? By the way, what does the title of the book translate to?

The picture is of Aleksandr Ordynets puzzles. If these are really shown in an article about Makarov, it implies to me some connection between Aleksandr Ordynets and Sergei Makarov. I'm just really curious if these two knew each other or worked together.

Did grigr just make a typo and either mention Markarov where me meant to say Ordynets or maybe he pasted the wrong link.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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the book is called "Games and Entertainment" (Игры и развлечения)
There are 3 volumes, it contains a lot of information about different puzzles.
I did not see the translation of the book. pdf-file does not exist ;(
can be iaroslavski, alexey or vadim have more information

I think it's a coincidence: it has two articles are arranged in succession
1) about Makarov Cube, 2) about Moldovan Piramid (with Master Pyraminx photo)
Sergey Makarov and Alexander Ordynets not linked with each other ...
In this books no any photos with Sergey and his puzzle, only drawings and pictures.

Photo Sergey with puzzle have in magazine "Young Technician"
http://jt-arxiv.narod.ru/DjVu/ut8409.djvu

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:15 pm 
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I find more Info about Master Pyraminx. Here is a description of the error in the design.
"when you turn the 4-layer to 60 degrees, three edge-parts fall out of the puzzle. ie during the game, it may break"

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photo from "Puzzle book" of Vladimir Jukov
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and co-author Elena Jukova
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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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more Russian puzzles

russian 2*2 wooden cube
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corner octahedron
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torus
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bump 2*2 cube
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HM piramid
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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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I don't see how that ring thing is a puzzle. It looks like a trivial puzzle that can only make non-intersecting turns. If you know how, please provide a picture or an explanation in English, not Russian.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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Lots of very interesting informaion about some very old puzzles. I'm still curious if the timing of all this infomation coming out is related to Aleksandr Ordynec ​​recently passing away. Looks like he may have had what amounted to his own private puzzle museum with some very old and rare puzzles. I'm guessing many of these may have been his own prototypes. Is his family releasing new information? I hope this collection is being preserved in some format. Its worthy of being in a museum.

I wish I could read Russian.
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I don't see how that ring thing is a puzzle. It looks like a trivial puzzle that can only make non-intersecting turns. If you know how, please provide a picture or an explanation in English, not Russian.
Looking at the pictures it looks like a larger version of this:

http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pkey=759
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I have one of these and couldn't remember its name so I spend a while looking before I found it in the museum. While looking, I came across this:

http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16607

Not sure if that project was ever finished but its another potential mechanism for this puzzle ring. If you ask me it appears Aleksandr Ordynec ​​was a man way ahead of his time. It saddens me that I'm just now learning of him after his passing. I'm curious if he was known in IPP circles or if he had ever been invited.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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great news! my friends found Sergei Makarov!
his son Dmitry Makarov interested father puzzle and began to search for information about it and found Oscar.
then Vladimir Yaroslavsky called and talked to Dmitry and Sergey Makarov.
Dmitry promised to give us a lot of information about this puzzle and make new photos and videos of the first cube Makarova.
coming soon...
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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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grigr wrote:
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Indeed!


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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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grigr wrote:
great news! my friends found Sergei Makarov!
WOW!!!! I can't wait. Please invite him to join the forum and I would hope he'd get an invite to IPP if he were interested. I imagine many of those at IPP would be honored to shake his hand. I know I would.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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Dmitry and Sergey Makarov :)

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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Sergey and Sergey Makarov...

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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Sergey and Sergey Makarov...

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Is the Sergey to the left a picture of Sergey Makarov at a younger age? I seem to recollect somehow the picture to the left.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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Original Makarov cube

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 Post subject: Re: Very Rare puzzles from USSR - 1981 year
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Is the Sergey to the left a picture of Sergey Makarov at a younger age? I seem to recollect somehow the picture to the left.
Yes... the younger Sergey is from this picture:

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